What are folks doing to treat Candida/yeast?

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mudshark
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   Posted 3/9/2018 8:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I recently discovered some oral thrush going on, which I'm sure 5 months of antibiotics has played a role in. I'm thinking yeast may also be contributing to the indigestion and heartburn that has been on the increase over the last few weeks. My LLMD gave me some nystatin oral rinse, with directions to rinse and spit. While it seems to be helping the oral issues it won't have much affect on my gut.

Besides doing a better job with diet and avoiding sugars, I've started doing some research on natural supplements and anti-yeast diets to follow. In the meantime, I wanted to check here and see what folks are doing to keep it at bay or fight it off?

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   Posted 3/9/2018 9:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I do Diflucan a few days at a time...I don't think I have an active infection.
At my first appt, the NP looked at my tongue...and said it looked good. (LOL)

So, I guess I'm taking it prophylactically.


I do oil pulling with coconut oil when I remember. I sometimes add a few drops of tea tree oil in the coconut oil.
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   Posted 3/9/2018 9:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Oregano oil in a coconut carrier externally, and oregano oil capsules for the gut. I used nystatin externally in the past until I realized that oregano was just as effective and cheaper.

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   Posted 3/9/2018 9:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Nystatin oral tabs are, unfortunately, a waist of time for many people. Its like throwing snowballs. The powder can be used internally with better results and there are posts on this from a past member. But- supposudly it still wont go into the blood.

Diflucan, treats the whole internal body and blood, its so strong you can herx on it, for many people this is the answer.

Now brand candida support has several herbs in it that help. But herbs are not as strong as RX Diflucan- I tried most of them.

If you have not already- Cut out ALL: sweets, alcohol, bread, pasta, even fruit for a few weeks to see the benefits. Gradually tapering off this food makes candida stronger (I know). Best just to do it 100% and commit for a while.

Post Edited (astroman) : 3/9/2018 7:16:44 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 3/9/2018 11:19 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm not sure if this will help, but I figured I'd throw it out there:

www.doctoryourself.com/thrush.html

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   Posted 3/10/2018 1:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Caprylic acid might help?
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   Posted 3/10/2018 5:10 AM (GMT -6)   
- i take s. boulardii powder one bag every 2 days
- i take PB8 and another hi-CFU probiotic with 7+ strains
- i avoid eating sugar
- i do not eat dairy products

result is after 7 months of antibiotics i have no oral thrush or any intestinal discomfort.

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   Posted 3/10/2018 1:27 PM (GMT -6)   
No sugar, no fruit, apple cider vinegar, coconut oil/milk and pao d'arco tea (if i need it) has always kept yeast in check for me

mudshark
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   Posted 3/10/2018 10:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks everyone for all the information. Lots of good things here to think about and try, but it seems cleaning up my diet may be the most important thing for me to do. I wouldn't classify my diet now as being all that bad, but it certainly does contain things stuff that feed the yeast. I'm also starting to wonder if all the kefir and kombucha I've been consuming to add healthy probiotics is maybe having the opposite affect. I just read something about the wild yeast in kombucha causing maybe as much harm as it does good.

I have been taking probiotics and s. boulardii for a while now, but I miss the occasional dose here and there, so I need to do much better with that, too. The nystatin oral rinse is quickly helping the small area of thrush, but my tummy remains all out of sorts. I'll try some of these things in addition to a stricter diet to see if I can turn things back around. Hopefully I can considering the added challenge of the antibiotics I continue to take.

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   Posted 3/10/2018 10:39 PM (GMT -6)   
The guy on the website fixyourgut.com is very knowledgeable
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   Posted 3/11/2018 3:22 PM (GMT -6)   
My 7 year old tested positive for yeast, and we used Aromatabs (essential oil pills) from a compounding pharmacy and they definitely helped. They seem like they're beneficial for a whole host of issues. Here's a link to more information.

tisserandinstitute.org/aromatab-a-novel-essential-oil-tablet

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   Posted 3/11/2018 3:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Lots of good suggestions given. Ozone injections in the mouth near the affected area helped clear something very similar. Coconut is loaded with antifungals. I added Black Raddish which is supposed to kill fungus deep in the intestines which some of the meds cant get to for some reason. Stop feeding it, kill it, and bind it.

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mudshark
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   Posted 3/11/2018 8:20 PM (GMT -6)   
One thing I am confused about is will I be able to stay on antibiotics and get things under control, assuming what's going on with my stomach now is indeed a yeast issue? The small area of thrush that just appeared in my mouth along with the stomach issues makes me think it is related.

I have to think the antibiotics are going to make this next to impossible or at the least way more difficult to fix while on them. I'm just over two weeks into adding rifampin to the bacterium for bart (dropping doxy) and I'd hat to stop because I can see some encouraging improvements. Was doing fine until just a few days ago, but now miserable whatever I eat.

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   Posted 3/11/2018 9:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Have you tried turmeric?

mudshark
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   Posted 3/11/2018 10:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Glascis said...
Have you tried turmeric?


No I haven't. Is it good for yeast?

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   Posted 3/11/2018 10:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Although all these herbs listed help to some extent, they are not nearly as potent as Diflucan. I've used everything listed here but Ozone and the powder version of Nystatin.

Every time Candida comes back, its stronger. If it ever becomes a dragged out problem, put down the pea shooters and grab the big ammo (Diflucan). I was reluctant to use it, but glad I finally did. Eventually these herbs listed will no nothing to eliminate candida.

Post Edited (astroman) : 3/12/2018 9:35:25 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 3/12/2018 9:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Adding a related question ... can you just take Diflucan any time, regardless of what else you're taking? I'm supposed to take it as part of my protocol on a heavy abx week, but I forgot. I want to take it now, on an "off" week. Shouldn't be a problem, right?

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   Posted 3/12/2018 10:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Dahlias said...
Adding a related question ... can you just take Diflucan any time, regardless of what else you're taking? I'm supposed to take it as part of my protocol on a heavy abx week, but I forgot. I want to take it now, on an "off" week. Shouldn't be a problem, right?


I took it with ABX and with out. Just separated a few hours.

When in doubt, I look up RX interactions at drugs dot com.

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General Diflucan note: Drs are not RX'ing diflucan at very potent levels here it seems - which is pointless if you hve an obvious internal yeast infection and makes candida stronger. One week at a time is a waist of money and time - yet I see this here. Systemic yeast is not to be taken lightly.

My Dr had me taking it everyday for one month, then every other day for one more month.

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   Posted 3/12/2018 10:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks!
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   Posted 3/13/2018 7:52 AM (GMT -6)   
I picked up some caprylic acid capsules and took about 1/3 dose on day 1 and didn't seem to have any reaction other than my tummy still feeling crappy. Day two I took 2/3 dose and later in the day I got so much worse with the upset stomach, bloating and gas and reflux symptoms, painful esophagus, etc. Just in misery yesterday and again today. I'm not sure if I'm herxing from candida die-off, which I know can be really bad, or if I just have a really bad case of gastritis at the moment and all the stuff I'm swallowing is making it worse. I've had gastritis and this is what it feels like. I'm not sure if there is a good way to determine what this is on my own.

What I thought was yeast in my mouth I'm not so sure now. Something inflamed my inner cheek near my wisdom teeth. It was red and a bit swollen, and the white matter I saw may have been where I've been biting it during the night. I'm not sure what would cause the inflammation to that area of my mouth. The only things new to my regimen are rifampin (2.5 weeks in) and I seemed to be tolerating it well

The only other thing new is liposomal glutathione, which I read can cause upset stomach for some. I took that for only a couple days before this hit, then stopped it. Maybe it tore my stomach up?

Whatever the cause I skipped my antibiotics (bactrim+rifampin) last night since my stomach was so torn up and not feeling like taking them today. I feel like these were really helping with the bart after only on rifampin a couple weeks, so I'm frustrated at the moment feeling like I can't swallow anything that may irritate my pissed off gut. Not sure how to approach this at the moment, but I'm going to put a call into my LLMD. It may be a day before I hear back, but hoping a few days off the abx won't cause problems. I'd hate it if I could not tolerate the abx anymore and my gut feels like it's going to take some time to recover.

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   Posted 3/13/2018 11:09 AM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
Although all these herbs listed help to some extent, they are not nearly as potent as Diflucan. I've used everything listed here but Ozone and the powder version of Nystatin.

Every time Candida comes back, its stronger. If it ever becomes a dragged out problem, put down the pea shooters and grab the big ammo (Diflucan). I was reluctant to use it, but glad I finally did. Eventually these herbs listed will no nothing to eliminate candida.



Good info.

Since candida is supposedly naturally found in everyone's gut to some extent, what do you mean when you say "when candida comes back"? Isn't it always there to some degree? How would you know if you had gotten rid of it and then it came back stronger?

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   Posted 3/13/2018 11:19 AM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...

If you have not already- Cut out ALL: sweets, alcohol, bread, pasta, even fruit for a few weeks to see the benefits. Gradually tapering off this food makes candida stronger (I know). Best just to do it 100% and commit for a while.


I'm doing Buhner's herbal protocol and I use powders, capsules, and tinctures. A lot of the herbs are only recommended in tinctures. I'm not on normal doses of most, though. I don't want to stop treatment to avoid alcohol. I don't even know if I have candida, but I feel sure I do. My gut just keeps getting worse. I now have pain or discomfort in my intestines most of the time now. I used to not have that at all. I feel movement (maybe bloating in my intestines). Almost feels like something besides me is eating my food. All this has gotten worse since 7 days of Augmentin back in December. Sometimes I forget my probiotics, but I usually take it or eat some goat kefir.

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   Posted 3/13/2018 11:28 AM (GMT -6)   
"When it comes back"- I mean when its reached the overgrowth stage, or when its out of balance. I would reach a point of gut discomfort, then oral thrush, then it would go beyond and into blood, which is then systemic stage. Anxiety worsens, more aches, brain fog, itchy skin all over.

I've been there enough times, I can just tell by my symptoms. But I occasionally double checked with actual labs too, and was correct.

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   Posted 3/13/2018 11:45 AM (GMT -6)   
mudshark said...
Glascis said...
Have you tried turmeric?


No I haven't. Is it good for yeast?

Yes that's what I was told.

My personal anecdotal experience is that it's pretty amazing. I spent 30 days on an extremely aggressive IV abx protocol and didn't suffer from candida - I'm guessing because of the turmeric - I'm not taking anything else that I know of for yeast.

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   Posted 3/13/2018 11:46 AM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
"When it comes back"- I mean when its reached the overgrowth stage, or when its out of balance. I would reach a point of gut discomfort, then oral thrush, then it would go beyond and into blood, which is then systemic stage. Anxiety worsens, more aches, brain fog, itchy skin all over.

I've been there enough times, I can just tell by my symptoms. But I occasionally double checked with actual labs too, and was correct.


Thank you, astroman! I really appreciate all the detailed information you give us on so many topics. Your posts are very helpful. Have a great daysmile
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