Which herbs kill the bugs?

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Serfr
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   Posted 3/10/2018 6:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Which herbs actually kill the babs, bart, lyme, and parasites? Im on Jk, Cats, Andro, Houtunia, oregano oil, CSA, Chronic Tonic. Thank you.
Tried abx and iv abx for 2 yrs, now trying herbs; Chronic Tonic (bottled) CSA formula, JK, Houttunia, Andrographis, Cats Claw, Oil of Oregano
Sx Aug '13-
Extreme fatigue, dizziness, head pressure, 1 seizure, ringing ears, crawling sensations everywhere, throat pain, groin pain, very cold hands/feet, joint pain, sole pain, body/muscle spasms, teeth/gum pain, constipation, depression, panic attacks

LymeSick 🌟
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   Posted 3/10/2018 7:06 AM (GMT -6)   
Out of that list, I know andrographis actually kills the Lyme spirochetes.

Serfr
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   Posted 3/10/2018 7:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you Lymesick! So my protocol is not addressing babs, bart and parasites?
Tried abx and iv abx for 2 yrs, now trying herbs; Chronic Tonic (bottled) CSA formula, JK, Houttunia, Andrographis, Cats Claw, Oil of Oregano
Sx Aug '13-
Extreme fatigue, dizziness, head pressure, 1 seizure, ringing ears, crawling sensations everywhere, throat pain, groin pain, very cold hands/feet, joint pain, sole pain, body/muscle spasms, teeth/gum pain, constipation, depression, panic attacks

sandyfeet
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   Posted 3/10/2018 7:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Serfr

Have you read any of Buhner's books? They're the best resource for the herbal protocols that I've read so far, and aside from his three lyme and co books his book on herbal antibiotics is also a very useful read. Lots of ideas to work from and make tweaks to your protocol based on your own symptoms and instincts.

A big part of his approach is supporting the different organs and the immune system which makes a lot of sense to me - I'm working on being inhospitable ;-) I don't have his books with me right now but if I remember correctly the main antibiotics are cryptolepis and andrographis (babesia especially), houttuynia, isatis, alchornea, and sida (bartonella, although I think sida is used as much for it's protective qualities as anything). With the CSA in there too it sounds like you're on all of the antibiotics except Isatis (it needs to be used only for short periods though) although with the combinations it's harder to experiment with higher or lower doses of each which is something I'm exploring right now, especially for babesia.

FWIW, if I remember correctly some people use Red Root for tinnitus and Buhner has a special protocol for chronic fatigue which might be helpful (I haven't tried it yet myself).

I'm sorry to see from your signature that it sounds like you're working with all three (BBB), that's no fun at all. I'm hoping you find the right combination of herbals Serfr to make some progress. It seems it takes a lot of slow trust and some experimentation and I'm still very much in the middle of trying to understand it.

sandyfeet
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   Posted 3/10/2018 7:49 AM (GMT -6)   
By the way early on I bookmarked this article on the combination of curcumin and rosmarinic acid along with bakail skullcap as being effective against borrelia - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28644529. Chinese Skullcap seems to keep coming up as an important herbal for many different reasons.

There was another study on andrographis and curcumin against malaria (so it might be effective against babesia). Crypto is the most common one for babesia and houtt. for bartonella but bartonella seems to be the most complicated to figure out.

Girlie
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   Posted 3/10/2018 12:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Japanese knotweed also has anti microbial properties. And so does Cryptolepis, sida and Houttuynia.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Serfr
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   Posted 3/10/2018 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you Sandy and Girie.
Tried abx and iv abx for 2 yrs, now trying herbs; Chronic Tonic (bottled) CSA formula, JK, Houttunia, Andrographis, Cats Claw, Oil of Oregano
Sx Aug '13-
Extreme fatigue, dizziness, head pressure, 1 seizure, ringing ears, crawling sensations everywhere, throat pain, groin pain, very cold hands/feet, joint pain, sole pain, body/muscle spasms, teeth/gum pain, constipation, depression, panic attacks

gfields
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   Posted 3/10/2018 3:21 PM (GMT -6)   
samento - cowden protocol has killing herbs

Woodduck12
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   Posted 3/10/2018 4:26 PM (GMT -6)   
I was wondering if the Bart buhner protocol has any effect against Lyme? Knotweed, sida, Hawthorne, and powdered houty? I get flair ups every month like clock work give or take a day or two. The Flair's have been rougher scince the Bart protocol but then I feel really good after. I also upped my detox game. Last month could not function because my brain was herxing pretty bad. Now the brain herxing is 10x better and my muscles are getting hit pretty hard. My feet went numb for about a half hour. Also my herxing / flair are alot shorter. I did cut my dose down this month compared to last. should I add a antispirochete? I think this hides and when it comes out my immune system is stronger and maybe it is killing bacteria? I also ran yesterday maybe I am herx ing form?
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