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worthy48
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   Posted 3/10/2018 1:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone ever done muscle testing / Applied Kinesiology as a way to test for Lyme or coinfection? If so, how accurate were the results?

Girlie
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   Posted 3/10/2018 3:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Worthy - I know we do have members who have done muscle testing - so I’m sure someone will be along soon to post
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tonyaraven
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   Posted 3/10/2018 3:51 PM (GMT -6)   
I spent a year and a half trying to figure out what was wrong with me. The lady that did muscle testing on me kept having Babesia come up, but not Lyme. I was tested and Babesia was really high. It seems there is some potential accuracy in it if the provider really knows what they are doing, but that is just my take on it. I'll be honest, I'm having a hard time believing any tests these days, still question my diagnosis.

RedLabel
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   Posted 3/10/2018 4:04 PM (GMT -6)   
I had Lyme pop up on muscle testing. Had a positive elispot also
Lyme, CPN, Yersinia, Coxsackie, CMV and Bartonella after LLMD visit.
CD57 0, 2, 0, 3

Started treatment in May 2017
Currently on Azithromycin, Doxycycline, Plaquenil, Rifampicin, Delimmun

worthy48
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   Posted 3/10/2018 8:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks everyone for the replies! It has been a really long time since I did muscle testing at all....do you recall how your practitioner used when doing the testing? I thought the little vials they use weren't extremely specific (i.e. "fungal" vs "bacterial")....or are they? I have an appointment this week and and hoping for some direction on what is going on with me. Any tips on what to ask for?

aphysicalwreck
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   Posted 3/11/2018 8:26 AM (GMT -6)   
I have done muscles testing/kinesiology with several different practitioners over the years. One guy mentioned spirochetes before i even knew I had Lyme. Most of them also said there was some yeast. I think the last one I saw said babesia. He was treating me with acupuncture and herbs. After a year of that I stopped because it was not curing me.

But in answer to your question.. I think there is some accuracy to it. The thing is that it's just tons of more $$$ spent and still not cured!!

1000Daisies
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   Posted 3/11/2018 10:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Here is my experience (copy/paste from another muscle testing thread):

I'm no longer a fan of muscle testing, based on years of going in circles with it. We also did FCT. In both situations, we've had labs contradict what they found.

I did keep an open mind, as I desperately wanted it to help. But in the end, it did not. This was through multiple practitioners. For multiple years.

In one example (FCT), I was told two of my kids were full of a bunch of different parasites. This "appeared" to be influenced by one of my kids telling him that we got new kittens at the time. After the testing, I got a lecture about taking such kittens to the vet. What he didn't know was that they were already treated before we got them and then again after we got them... and I diligently followed up with the vet to make sure they were all clear of parasites. I am a little extreme on this and would constantly make my kids wash their hands in the beginning (until all clear and then thereafter for awhile), and they never dealt with the kitty litter boxes.
But if that doesn't get you suspicious, then when my other kid and I went on a different date, the practitioner forgot and didn't "find" any parasite issues in either of us. Really? Two of them are full of parasites from the kittens and two of us are not? Trust me - all of us handled the kittens a ton!
AND if that doesn't get you suspicious... I did not use any of his "remedies". Instead, I tested my sickest kid at the time (Kid#1) for parasites via a stool sample from our regular doctor. The lab found NOTHING for parasites (which actually surprised our lyme doctor). Yes, I know that labs can be wrong, but I find it ironic that my kid was supposedly FULL of different parasites and the lab came back with nothing - nothing at all.
In addition, he told me all of us were clear from lyme and coinfections, when clearly none of us were (also confirmed with some lab testing afterwards as well as serious regressions for two other kids - lab confirmed for me).
This practitioner is sought after, and I have heard from other people on how much they were helped by him. I seriously don't get it. That was my last straw, and we quit seeing that one.

As for the muscle testing practitioner, I liked this practitioner, although he was a bit quirky. He sure knew his nutrition and how the body worked. His knowledge was impressive. But he would frequently tell us lyme then no lyme then lyme then no lyme.... same with coinfections. His herbal combination tincture was amazing intially, but the effects did not last for any of us.

I have no doubt that others have been helped by such practitioners. But they weren't for us. And I no longer believe in that methodology for testing.

But if it helps an individual and they are content and trusting of such, then so be it as long as it's helping them. smile
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

worthy48
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   Posted 3/11/2018 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Interesting 1000Daisies. I wonder if the "yes lyme / no lyme" confusing results is because lyme can have false negatives even with blood tests? That was something I wondered about...could muscle testing be similar to blood work and only come back with a positive if the stars align, so to speak and the right amount of antibodies are around when the muscle testing is done.

I am interested to see what my results yield and am hoping it will guide me a little further as to whether I should do the Igenex test now or wait for my GP to run more tests first. Ultimately my symptoms and how I am feeling will aid my decision to blood test....just thought muscle testing might lend some insight. I guess I will see in a couple days!

Thanks for sharing replies!

mudshark
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   Posted 3/11/2018 8:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I had muscle testing done by ND when trying to figure out what was causing my current symptoms. His testing indicated a vector borne intracellular parasitic infection causing inflammation in many areas of my body. He had seem my same pattern in two other patients, and all three of us reacted positively to malarial medication. He had a lot of confidence that it was not a bacterial infection. He identified the homeopathic remedy that helped and I took that for a about 3 months, but it did not really improve at all. In fact, things got worse.

I ended up taking penicillin for a gum infection and low and behold things started improving. That drove me to see an LLMD and after seeing my list of symptoms started me on abx treatment. Today, 5+ months into treatment, 70-80% of my symptoms are either gone completely or greatly improved.

I've always wondered if the stealth nature of these infections threw off his findings. Maybe he was seeing the herx reaction from abx he tested with that skewed his findings? Prior to this he performed miracle work on me and others I know.

worthy48
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   Posted 3/12/2018 7:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the info mudshark.....sounds like it was a good exoerience overall, though unfortunately did not lead to the right treatment. I am glad you are doung much better and are on the road to recovery!

bluelyme
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   Posted 3/13/2018 1:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Kinesiology is simple yes or no in electrical measure of muscle for that moment for that body imo . It has been a light in a very dark lyme cave for me . Read brussles take on lymenet

worthy48
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   Posted 3/13/2018 10:44 AM (GMT -6)   
So, bluelyme, it sounds like you have had a lot of success with muscle testing? If it is like you said, basically a measure in time, would there be a high risk of false negatives?
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