Fasting..........has anyone done this?????

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astroman
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   Posted 3/17/2018 11:10 AM (GMT -6)   
This sounds crazy, but I am wondering about it.

**An ancient way for better health - not for curing lyme, health in general. If your still really sick (I'm not), this is prob not for you.**

The general concept is the body will draw out and use "stores" of whatever is buried deep in you - vitamins, amino acids ect, and use them.

We all have to much of something in us which has direct effect on our metabolism and methalation cycle/pathways.

Fasting is even used for type II diabetes (high sugar, not low) with third world ancient healers, body will supposedly use up the excess stored sugar.

Longest I've gone without eating was prob 12 hours. I cant imagine the stomach growling for more time than that.

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   Posted 3/17/2018 11:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Well with abx I wouldn’t try it - too hard on the tummy.


Not sure about fasting while on herbs either. Maybe it would be doable.
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astroman
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   Posted 3/17/2018 11:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Point there.

In my case, I have not been hunting down the critters for quite some time - no ammo in my system.
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   Posted 3/17/2018 11:44 AM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
Point there.

In my case, I have not been hunting down the critters for quite some time - no ammo in my system.


Okay - you’re in remission though - I think that is doable but while treating active infection not sure.

Although maybe during abx breaks for short duration - 24 or 48 hours.
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   Posted 3/17/2018 12:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I generally follow an intermittent fasting routine - eating between 11 am and 6 pm most days and I find it's fabulous for keeping my energy level fairly even. Whenever I go back to my old eating routine I find I never feel quite as good.

I have fasted a few days at a time, especially with broth, no problem although not since I started taking herbs. Mostly I think the alcohol content in the tinctures (I'm taking a lot of herbs right now) would be enough to throw the body out of balance constantly. I could consider trying it with a bit of coconut oil as a balance around tincture time and play it by ear. I think Buhner has a whole book on fasting doesn't he?

I agree it probably wouldn't be a good idea with antibiotics though.

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   Posted 3/17/2018 12:09 PM (GMT -6)   
sandyfeet - since I have skipped breakfast for a good portion of my life - I guess I have been fasting from about 8:00 pm to noon the next day.
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The Dude Abides
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   Posted 3/17/2018 12:24 PM (GMT -6)   
The longest I fasted was for seven days - water and vegetable broth only.

Otherwise, I've routinely done 18-20 hour fasting (no snacking) and eaten during a six-to-four hour window, respectively. These days, I don't purposely fast. But, it sometimes happens organically.

Did you ever read about the guy that fasted for 382 days under medical supervision?

/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396

astroman
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   Posted 3/17/2018 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
The longest I fasted was for seven days - water and vegetable broth only.

Otherwise, I've routinely done 18-20 hour fasting (no snacking) and eaten during a six-to-four hour window, respectively. These days, I don't purposely fast. But, it sometimes happens organically.

Did you ever read about the guy that fasted for 382 days under medical supervision?

/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396


Read just the summary..... 382 days, he must have been in hibernation mode.

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   Posted 3/17/2018 12:34 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
The Dude Abides said...
The longest I fasted was for seven days - water and vegetable broth only.

Otherwise, I've routinely done 18-20 hour fasting (no snacking) and eaten during a six-to-four hour window, respectively. These days, I don't purposely fast. But, it sometimes happens organically.

Did you ever read about the guy that fasted for 382 days under medical supervision?

/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396


Read just the summary..... 382 days, he must have been in hibernation mode.


No doubt! He started at 456 lbs (207 kg), so he had quite a calorie surplus off which to live.

astroman
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   Posted 3/17/2018 1:24 PM (GMT -6)   
456 lbs - I missed that part.

He was hibernating off that!
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   Posted 3/17/2018 2:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I've done quite a few extended fasts before I got pregnant, which was about 1.5 years before I got sick. I've half tried to fast since being sick, but haven't gotten far. I still intend on starting to water fast for 24 hours once a week soon.

The longest fast I was on was 28 days, and I did several 7-10 day fasts. My stomach stops growling around day 3, and around day 5 an incredible mental clarity sets in and I started feeling great elation and peace. I was always surprised how well my body would handle it energy wise too. The last day of my 28 day fast I took a 13 mile bike ride, and felt great!

If you have the willpower I think fasting is a great idea! Just don't go too hard your first time, especially if you're sick or haven't been eating a very clean diet. I started really slow with cleaning up my diet, then juice fasting for a day or two, and then water fasting for only a day or two before increasing the length of time.

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countingstarsx said...
I've done quite a few extended fasts before I got pregnant, which was about 1.5 years before I got sick. I've half tried to fast since being sick, but haven't gotten far. I still intend on starting to water fast for 24 hours once a week soon.

The longest fast I was on was 28 days, and I did several 7-10 day fasts. My stomach stops growling around day 3, and around day 5 an incredible mental clarity sets in and I started feeling great elation and peace. I was always surprised how well my body would handle it energy wise too. The last day of my 28 day fast I took a 13 mile bike ride, and felt great!

If you have the willpower I think fasting is a great idea! Just don't go too hard your first time, especially if you're sick or haven't been eating a very clean diet. I started really slow with cleaning up my diet, then juice fasting for a day or two, and then water fasting for only a day or two before increasing the length of time.


I cant imagine this, I'm a bottom less pit as far as eating goes. Clean eating now, but still, if I move, i'm hungry after.

I think I'd go lethargic and pass out unless I was on some illegal drug to pass the hunger time away. How do you just not lay on the couch all that time?

Thats incredible will power.

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   Posted 3/17/2018 3:32 PM (GMT -6)   
My seven-day water/broth fast was just as countingstarsx reported - hunger subsides around Day 3 and is shortly followed by a boost in mental focus and physical energy.

You may already be familiar with TrueNorth Health Center and Drs. Goldhamer and Klaper. If not, they offer medically-supervised water-only fasting up to 40 days at a time.

www.healthpromoting.com

You can find some YouTube videos of these two Doctors discussing fasting:

/www.youtube.com/results?search_query=alan+goldhamer+fasting
/www.youtube.com/results?search_query=michael+klaper+fasting

The following video used to be on YouTube, but it seems to have disappeared. Fortunately, I downloaded it, after I first found it. I uploaded it to Dropbox, if you have any interest:

Dr. Michael Klaper - Fasting: Safe & Effective Use of an Ancient Healing Therapy
bit.ly/2GCKIMy

It offers some good background, explanation, and tips.

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   Posted 3/17/2018 3:44 PM (GMT -6)   
I always thought fasting was water only, didnt know of the variations.

I might have beer fasted for 24 hrs when I was 19, dont think that counts though..

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   Posted 3/17/2018 3:52 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
I always thought fasting was water only, didnt know of the variations.

I might have beer fasted for 24 hrs when I was 19, dont think that counts though..


hahahaha - Hey, fasting is fasting...

One other thing, I also have all the videos from last year's "The Fasting Summit." Here's a listing of the titles.

/www.dropbox.com/s/s9lchxeegdeindx/Fasting-Summit.jpg?dl=0

If any look interesting, let me know and I can upload some to Dropbox. I might need to do just a few at a time, as there's about 18.5 GB of material.

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   Posted 3/17/2018 3:54 PM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
astroman said...
I always thought fasting was water only, didnt know of the variations.

I might have beer fasted for 24 hrs when I was 19, dont think that counts though..


hahahaha - Hey, fasting is fasting...

One other thing, I also have all the videos from last year's "The Fasting Summit." Here's a listing of the titles.

/www.dropbox.com/s/s9lchxeegdeindx/Fasting-Summit.jpg?dl=0

If any look interesting, let me know and I can upload some to Dropbox. I might need to do just a few at a time, as there's about 18.5 GB of material.



You must be one organized dude, Dude.
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   Posted 3/17/2018 4:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...
astroman said...
I always thought fasting was water only, didnt know of the variations.

I might have beer fasted for 24 hrs when I was 19, dont think that counts though..


hahahaha - Hey, fasting is fasting...

One other thing, I also have all the videos from last year's "The Fasting Summit." Here's a listing of the titles.

/www.dropbox.com/s/s9lchxeegdeindx/Fasting-Summit.jpg?dl=0

If any look interesting, let me know and I can upload some to Dropbox. I might need to do just a few at a time, as there's about 18.5 GB of material.


You must be one organized dude, Dude.


I do pretty well...on my computer. My 'real' life isn't quite as organized as my 'digital' life, but it's not bad. Being in the Military made the difference - whether I wanted it or not!

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   Posted 3/17/2018 6:32 PM (GMT -6)   
I am wondering if there isnt good reason to believe that while the body is digesting food it cant designate as many resources towards healing. I would like to begin intermittent fasting and switch to one meal (lunch) per day. It takes a bit of will power though until you get used to it.

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   Posted 3/17/2018 6:44 PM (GMT -6)   
ChickenArise said...
I am wondering if there isnt good reason to believe that while the body is digesting food it cant designate as many resources towards healing. I would like to begin intermittent fasting and switch to one meal (lunch) per day. It takes a bit of will power though until you get used to it.


I think that's right. If we're always eating, our bodies never get to do a "deep cleanse" and processes like autophagy aren't enabled. Thomas Lodi, MD has some good YouTube videos on fasting, too.

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   Posted 3/17/2018 7:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Something else I just remembered...

If you guys are not already familiar with him, you may want to research Valter Longo and his "Fasting Mimicking Diet" (FMD).

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   Posted 3/18/2018 12:32 AM (GMT -6)   
this bacteria is designed to create persistent infection in deer which used to also live tens of thousands of years ago in a world without human pollution and pristine... Chances we can resolve this with just diet or fasting are close to zero. If that were the case, the world of mammals would have gotten rid of lyme millennia ago before humans polluted the environment. But it has not... Fasting is what animals do naturally because they dont have McDonalds.

what can help is anti inflammatory diet. not eating for many days, especially if you take antibiotics or herbals (which also kill flora) is a bad idea.

let's not confuse that with fasting for a day or two, which is i believe very healthy and beneficial to the body. We are not adapted to have food every single day, we always used to have days without food and the body is adapted to repair some tissues especially in the gut, more efficiently when there is no food around.

but we wont get rid of lyme by not eating...

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   Posted 3/18/2018 12:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Buhner has a book about fasting. I haven't read it though.
https://www.amazon.com/Transformational-Power-Fasting-Spiritual-Rejuvenation/dp/1594774668

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   Posted 3/18/2018 4:00 AM (GMT -6)   
i thought herbs were safer, $&@#!! Anyone else fast because they can eat practically nothing anyway? Nope, cant eat that, nope cant eat that...I want to be reincarnated as a Lyme bacteria - nothing can kill me, and the government protects me.
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   Posted 3/18/2018 8:50 AM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
countingstarsx said...
I've done quite a few extended fasts before I got pregnant, which was about 1.5 years before I got sick. I've half tried to fast since being sick, but haven't gotten far. I still intend on starting to water fast for 24 hours once a week soon.

The longest fast I was on was 28 days, and I did several 7-10 day fasts. My stomach stops growling around day 3, and around day 5 an incredible mental clarity sets in and I started feeling great elation and peace. I was always surprised how well my body would handle it energy wise too. The last day of my 28 day fast I took a 13 mile bike ride, and felt great!

If you have the willpower I think fasting is a great idea! Just don't go too hard your first time, especially if you're sick or haven't been eating a very clean diet. I started really slow with cleaning up my diet, then juice fasting for a day or two, and then water fasting for only a day or two before increasing the length of time.


I cant imagine this, I'm a bottom less pit as far as eating goes. Clean eating now, but still, if I move, i'm hungry after.

I think I'd go lethargic and pass out unless I was on some illegal drug to pass the hunger time away. How do you just not lay on the couch all that time?

Thats incredible will power.


Hahaha! I really enjoy eating too. Moreso after pregnancy and nursing my daughter. Its probably why I am having such a hard time fasting again because I am stuck in bottomless pit mode.

At that time, I didn't just lay around all the time because I was in school and working. These days, there would be a lot of laying around for sure. But really, pretty much everyone's digestive system will shut down around day 3 and the hunger isn't much of a problem anymore. After that point you also would need to be very conscious of what you put in your mouth to break the fast. Too much too fast will make you very ill indeed.
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