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Milocat
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   Posted 3/19/2018 11:05 AM (GMT -6)   
I started taking A-Bart and it's producing a very extreme herx. I've been treating bart with Isatis and Houttuynia for ~6 months. I've read past posts that said A-Bart causes bad herxing but didn't help symptoms in a few people. Does anyone have any experiences/insight about A-Bart?

1000Daisies
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   Posted 3/19/2018 12:51 PM (GMT -6)   
I know somebody who was doing really poorly on abx - just getting sick and sicker - with the doctors throwing more abx his way. Years of sickness and then unable to work. He switched doctors, and the new doctor eventually took him off abx. The new doctor put him on treatment for MACS, mold, and herbals (specifically A-Bart and adrenal support). He is now doing really well - much much much better than his prior treatment with abx.

I haven't used the Byron White formulas personally (much) but have been wanting to rotate those in. I do have the A-FNG that I recently started, but due to illness in the house, we stopped for unrelated reasons -- but I will be starting back on it again personally.

I think Byron White formulas is something I very much want to try with my kids. I have heard good things about them, but as with anything, people's responses will vary.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

Notime4lyme
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   Posted 3/19/2018 1:32 PM (GMT -6)   
I had really good results with symptoms (my rash got lighter), but I felt like one long continuous herx, and I just couldn't stand it anymore.

tickbite666
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   Posted 3/19/2018 1:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Here's what I have in my A-Bart file:\ copied from somewhere years ago.

GUIDELINES FOR THE BYRON WHITE FORMULAS A-BART
INDICATIONS

Primary Provoking Action of A-BART:

• This herbal formula is designed to activate the immune system in acute and chronic the Bartonella infections.
• It is equally effective for Bartonella Like Organisms (BLO).
• It can be useful in the management of Borrelia, other co-infections and opportunistic pathogens.

Secondary Provoking Actions of A-BART:

Bartonella infections are thought to be more common that Borrelia infections. We know the tick borne infection come in groups. A-Bart has been engineered to act on the accompanying co-infections and opportunistic infections. It has action against the Borrelia, Babesia and Mycoplasma species. A-BART will have an immune modulating effect for the patient with chronic infections. It will have some immune activation against fungal, viral, and parasite.

REGULATORY MECHANISMS OF A-BART:
• The synergistic herbal combination acts specifically on the nervous system helping with pain, anxiety, sleep, headache and restlessness.
• The formula balances Serotonin and other neurotransmitters helping the patient to deal with depression, insomnia and pain.
• A-Bart is designed to improve the detox pathways. As with all neurotoxins, methylation is slow and lymphatic flow is congested. This formula is designed to enhance the binding and excretion of toxins through the system.
• Auto immunity can be improved as A-Bart works to reduce inflammation, decreases congestion and improves circulation.
• This combination helps with muscle spasm, joint pain, hypertension, hypotension, digestive difficulties, gastritis, ulcers, sore glands, and sore throat, diarrhea and blood sugar difficulties.
• It has a tonifying effect on the GI tract, liver, lung and lymphatic systems.
REGENERATIVE MECHANISMS OF A-BART:
• The nature of the herbs and their combined anti-bartonella, anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, vermafuge, antiviral, anti-spirochete, anti-malarial, and anti-Candida benefits allow the agents to be driven deep into other tissue. This synergistic nature of the herbs allows them to reach and renew tissue that would otherwise not be reached.
• Patients with Bartonella can have compromised digestion and thus inadequate nutrition. This herbal combination provides nutrients in a form that is easily digestible. It is rich in B1, Vit C, Niacin, Iron, Potassium, protein, Beta-sitosterol, calcium, chromium, Cobolt, Gaba, Epsilon-sitoterol, magnesium, magnesium, parigemin, phosphorus, pollinastanol. Selenium, silicon and dietary fiber.
• This formula helps the biosynthesis of cholesterol.
• Helps restore neurotransmitter balance, restoring sleep, memory, concentration and mood.

INGREDIENTS:

Gou Teng: Has been used for centuries to lower the excitability of the central nervous system. Chinese medicine has used this herb for hypertension, convulsions, headache, dizziness, and apoplexy. It increases serotonin that can result in multiple mood and cognitive improvements, including OCD, IBS, fibromyalgia depression and anxiety.

Neem: This herb's anti-viral, anti bacterial and anti-fungal activities are well documented. There is evidence for its use in pneumonia, ulcers, gout, diabetes, hypertension skin infection and wound healing. The essential fatty acid content in Neem is high.

Grapefruit Seed: Grapefruit seed is considered therapeutic against hundreds of different bacteria, virus, parasitic and fungal strains. The extract form the seeds are used in the intestinal track to inhibit infection as well as balancing healthy bacteria. It is a strong antioxidant that has high nutrient values including biotin and Vit C. It is helpful with lymphatic drainage and the elimination of toxins.

Indian Sarsaparilla: This herb has its action on circulation, autoimmunity, joint disease, digestive issues, and viral infections. It is potentially most important as a rich nutrient and alkaloid source. This is a rich source of saponin, panillin, cetyl-alcohol, cobolt, pollinstanol selenium, smilagenin, stigmasterol, zinc, Beta and Epsilon-sitosterol to name just a few.

Poke Root: Pokeroot helps to detox the Lymphatic System. It stimulates the production of B and T cells by the immune system. This herb is active as an anti-inflammatory, anti-viral, and antibacterial. It is rich in alkaloids that have antihistamine effects. It increases the brains production of GABA.

Licorice: Licorice binds to many types of neurotoxins making it important as a detoxification agent. It is a mucogenic agents that sooth stomach and duodenal ulcers. It has been used in the treatment of chronic fatigue syndrome and thought to have antiviral effects.

Garlic: has been used as a broad-spectrum antimicrobial and metabolic agent. It has historically been used as an anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, anti-spirochete, anti-septic, diaphoretic, diuretic, expectorant and heavy metal chelator. It supports liver detox and decreases LDL cholesterol. It is a cardiovascular tonic, helps with the biosynthesis of fatty acids phospholipids and acts as an anti-clotting agent.

Clove: This herb acts as a tonic, febrifuge, antiseptic, anti fungal with anti parasitic activity.

Artemisia: This herb has wide recognition as an anti-malarial, anti-fungal, anti-caner, anti-spirochete and enhances natural killer cell response. It also counteracts hyper coagulation.

Usnea: This herb is a broad-spectrum antimicrobial affecting virus, protozoa, Candida, trichamonas, Chlamydia, etc. Also is an analgesic and cyst buster.

RECOMMENDED DOSAGE:

Start with 1 to 5 drops twice daily in water.
Increase or decrease drops depending on patient response. Dosages are highly individualized.
Target dosage: 15 drops twice daily.
Challenge dosage: 20 drops or more two times daily as directed by a health care provider.

JoyfulAmI
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   Posted 3/19/2018 3:17 PM (GMT -6)   
I've been on A-Bart for about 9 months now, still working up to the 20 drop full dose. Yes, herxing can be bad, but I've learned how to manage it best for me. Start with only ONE drop twice a day. If that is too much, apply the drop between your toes instead of orally for a while, waiting to increase until you can handle it orally. Increase by one drop every one-two weeks as tolerated. For me, I do best increasing every two weeks by taking my current dosage orally and then putting the additional drop between my toes for 2-3 days, adding the additional drop orally after this transition. This seems to ease the transition and reduce the herxing significantly. I do plan things out so that when I add the new drop in orally I do it the night before a day when it's ok if I'm not feeling 100%.

mudshark
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   Posted 3/19/2018 7:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I used A-Bart for a couple months and felt like I was on a continuous herx as well. All the bart symptoms just ramped up a bit adding only 1 drop would be noticeable. I never managed to get beyond 8 drops 1x day. This was before we are actually targeting bart with abx. Now that I am I'm thinking about adding it back in again.

Milocat
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   Posted 3/20/2018 1:04 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for all the input!! I think I'll keep going with it and ramp up super slow.

Runninheid
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   Posted 3/20/2018 11:37 AM (GMT -6)   
I've been on A-BART for 8 months. I ramped it up fast, and I've been doing 80 drops a day (40 x2) for 4 months.

Before starting A Bart, I was already in a continuous herx and nearly completely useless as a person, so I had little to lose.

Since starting A Bart, I have experienced daily herxes, that have lessened over time.

In the beginning of A Bart, I was bedridden with physical symptoms and anxiety for a few months. After I achieved the 80 drops per day, things began leveling out. I slowly became able to do simple chores, slowly became able to resume all household duties and pay all bills, slowly learned how to drive again, and am now looking forward to starting work again soon. All this over an 8 month period.

I would like to think that becoming more and more normal while maintaining such a high dose of A-BART is a sign that I'm improving and winning the battle smile

With all that said, I believe that A-BART is a wonderful tool. But do pace yourself and listen to your body. Being bedridden is not good, so if you do still have a life that you are able to maintain, go slow with the A-BART...but expect great things smile
DX Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella and Ehrlichia June 2017.
Symptoms since at least 2007.
Started treatment June 2017
-Artemisinin, A BART, A BAB, Biaxin, Chlorella, Liposomal Glutathione, Magnesium, Omnicef, Prothrivers Wellbrain, Tindazole, Tranquility, Uplift, Fish Oil, B Vitamins, Vitamin D, gluten free, sugar free, dairy free, lemon water, detox tea, coffee enemas.
30%-60% Healed

bluelyme
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   Posted 3/21/2018 1:49 AM (GMT -6)   
was ok ...some cant handle one of the 9 or so herbs at the 90:1 to ratio...cowden is 4:1 if thats any indication...i did 20 drop 2x day for few months ...zhang hh2/allicin was better 4 me . i am using essential medica intercellx with dank hooty and black spruce

bryguy27007
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Date Joined Sep 2014
Total Posts : 117
   Posted 3/21/2018 10:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Are you all using distilled water for the BW tinctures? I am "taking" A-bart, a-bab, and A-L complex but have been using tap water for all of them. I heard you are supposed to be using distilled. I've been on a super long break from all of these lyme medications because of treatment fatigue but this thread inspired me to put 4 drops of each in a glass of water that I'm about to take. I lost faith in the BW formulas and all lyme treatment but it's nice to hear that people are getting better (and herxing off the a-bart which I definitely get).

Runninheid
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   Posted 3/21/2018 12:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I just use our normal tap water (untreated from a natural spring on our property).

I think the distilled water recommendation demonstrates thr "most perfect" method of taking the formulas...to avoid any and all possible contaminants.
DX Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella and Ehrlichia June 2017.
Symptoms since at least 2007.
Started treatment June 2017
-Artemisinin, A BART, A BAB, Biaxin, Chlorella, Liposomal Glutathione, Magnesium, Omnicef, Prothrivers Wellbrain, Tindazole, Tranquility, Uplift, Fish Oil, B Vitamins, Vitamin D, gluten free, sugar free, dairy free, lemon water, detox tea, coffee enemas.
30%-60% Healed
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