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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 3/19/2018 8:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Guys,

I got the d-limonene and started several days ago. I take it 30 minutes before eating one time a day. I think today was the first time I took one two days in a row.

1. Does it bind to herbs/supplement/probiotics? If so, how far apart from those do I need to take it?

Since it needs to be taken 30 minutes before a meal, that's awkward, since I take a lot of herbs and supplements either with or around all of my meals.

2. Can it cause a herx?

I felt worse yesterday and especially today. I was burning like fire earlier today and by supper time, I was in full blown rage mode - worst I've ever had it. I also increased my drops on sida acuta and IHA recently, so not sure if it's from that or the d-limonene, so I thought I'd ask.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 3/19/2018 8:23 PM (GMT -6)   
no idea if it binds to other supplements, i take it about 30 minutes before a meal

how is your gall bladder? if you have gall bladder problems this could definitely stir some things up. otherwise, different people react differently to things, hard to say especially since there is not that much data out there on supplementing with this stuff

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 3/19/2018 8:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, Lapis.

Hopefully others who have used it will chime in and let me know if it caused any type of herx for them.

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   Posted 3/19/2018 9:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I take it in the evening...about an hour or two before bed.

I don't take it prior to eating dinner.
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astroman
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   Posted 3/19/2018 9:46 PM (GMT -6)   
I've never read about it causing any herxes, its not strong enough, one would need to take a lot. I have read Citrus oil can fend off yeast and parasites - cant see that happening in two days though.

Ita major detox/cleaner for liver, gall bladder, bile ducts ect. It can reverse a "fatty liver". An "ill" liver accumulates "junk", copper and probably loads of who knows what nasty stuff.

Some medications are affected by "liver speed" as they pass through it, and D-L "speeds up" the liver.

I would not take it near 3 hours of Rx meds.

I would not take it within, maybe 3 hours (guess) of living probiotics.

It should not effect herbs.

Pectin powder seems to be somewhat of a binder but its cousin, D-L, is more pure and does not seem to have binding characteristics as far as I've read.

"Since it needs to be taken 30 minutes before a meal" - That has not been my observation in ten years of experience with it. D-L has several uses, what are you hoping to achieve with it?

I take it one hr before bed, when relaxed and sitting, feel more energetic in a calm way the next day, and digestion is great though the night and next morning. Used during physical activity and you will have warm citrus burps.

Girlie
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   Posted 3/19/2018 9:51 PM (GMT -6)   
astro - why does it need to be taken 3 hours away from medications?

- because it speeds up the liver?
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

astroman
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   Posted 3/19/2018 10:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Your liver metabolizes drugs, some more than others.

In plain English: Some medications are affected by "liver speed" as they pass through it, and D-L "speeds up" the liver.

Some med doses are based on normal liver speed and then fine tuned based on YOUR liver health/ speed/effectiveness.

DL has the ability to make your liver optimal, thus could slightly change any Rx dose. **This is obviously important with important meds like blood thinning medication. Maybe not a big deal with ABX. Drugs dot com does not get to specific with this either, says pretty much what I mentioned.

Post Edited (astroman) : 3/19/2018 9:21:26 PM (GMT-6)


WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 3/24/2018 8:15 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm having upper abdominal pain and soreness that feels like it has something to do with stomach acid or bile flow. Can D-limonene be causing this? Should I only take it every other day or a couple times a week instead of daily?

astroman
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   Posted 3/24/2018 8:55 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
I'm having upper abdominal pain and soreness that feels like it has something to do with stomach acid or bile flow. Can D-limonene be causing this? Should I only take it every other day or a couple times a week instead of daily?


Should not be causing this. But when in doubt, with any supplement, if you stop taking it, you will know.

D-limonene is alkaline, so it will not add to the already acidic environment of the stomach. In fact, its primary use is curing GERD and heartburn.

It does work on the gall bladder and liver. It clears/dissolves gallstones. Maybe you have something else wrong digestive and this is having some effect.

newuser22
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   Posted 3/24/2018 9:46 PM (GMT -6)   
does it really work?

Girlie
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   Posted 3/25/2018 12:43 AM (GMT -6)   
newuser22 said...
does it really work?


I;ve only used it sporadically. The first time, it was because I had some throat issues...and it did help...after only taking it every other day (I think?) for about a week or two.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 3/25/2018 8:29 AM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
WalkingbyFaith said...
I'm having upper abdominal pain and soreness that feels like it has something to do with stomach acid or bile flow. Can D-limonene be causing this? Should I only take it every other day or a couple times a week instead of daily?


Should not be causing this. But when in doubt, with any supplement, if you stop taking it, you will know.

D-limonene is alkaline, so it will not add to the already acidic environment of the stomach. In fact, its primary use is curing GERD and heartburn.


I think that's the problem. I think it reduces stomach acid. When I had these issues a couple of years ago, I had an EGD with bravo test for GERD and reflux. No acid was detected. From what I've learned since from the alternative medical realm, it seems more likely that I was having insufficient stomach acid. I also had a Hida scan on my gallbladder and was told it was normal - for whatever that was worth. I was also at that time thrown into hormonal hell, which was likely the catalyst that threw my digestive system off the cliff. I've never gotten it out of the ditch. It's still laying down there, helpless and waiting.

I've tried apple cider vinegar but don't do well with drinking it. I can tolerate it as a dressing on salad. That's about the only way I currently use it.

astroman
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   Posted 3/25/2018 10:41 AM (GMT -6)   
D-limonine treats GERD mechanically.

Not by reducing stomach acid, but by putting a natural citrus "oil slick" on top of your stomach acid.

I had gerd from low acid, from low thyroid, which cause digestive issues and burnt my LES valve, leaving it partially open. PPI's made me worse as they reduce acid, DL coated the valve, it healed and worked right after.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 3/25/2018 5:55 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
D-limonine treats GERD mechanically.

Not by reducing stomach acid, but by putting a natural citrus "oil slick" on top of your stomach acid.

I had gerd from low acid, from low thyroid, which cause digestive issues and burnt my LES valve, leaving it partially open. PPI's made me worse as they reduce acid, DL coated the valve, it healed and worked right after.


Okay. Thanks, astroman. Sounds like it shouldn't be hurting me, then. It may have been the Olive Leaf causing the complications. I took neither last night and felt much better today, though feeling better is likely because I took Aleve last night and this morning for cramps. I started my period last night right before bed, so maybe hormone stuff was in the mix too. I think I'll start back with only one of those for a week before adding the other again so I can decipher which I am sensitive to.
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