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Rainy cloud
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   Posted 3/20/2018 2:32 PM (GMT -6)   
So I'm reading this book:

/amazon.com/Lab-257-Disturbing-Governments-Laboratory/dp/006078184X/

It says:

In the preface of The Belarus Secret, Loftus laid out a striking piece of
information gleaned from his spy network:
Even more disturbing are the records of the N azi germ warfare scien-
tists who came to America. They experimented with poison ticks
dropped from planes to spread rare diseases. I have received some
information suggesting that the U.S. tested some of these poison ticks
on the Plum Island artillery range off the coast of Connecticut during
the early 1950s. . . . Most of the germ warfare records have been
shredded, but there is a top secret U.S. document confirming that
“clandestine attacks on crops and animals” took place at this time.

What do you guys think?

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 3/20/2018 2:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Whether or not it's true, I don't think this information is helpful. Most of us are worried enough as it is, without having more fuel put on the fire. That's my opinion.

Serfr
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   Posted 3/20/2018 2:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Thats scary...but "The Belarus Secret"... sounds like a bad 1970s movie title.
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   Posted 3/20/2018 8:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Germ and biological warfare as well as any other kind of war tactics are always possible. These kind could easily be carried out in clandestine fashion unbeknownst to the population, though, whereas say bombs going off would be obvious to everyone.

If and when these things happen, we would likely have no control over it. We can only control ourselves and our immediate environment. Dealing with Lyme and co is scary enough, so I try not to think too much about stuff like that. But yeah, I believe anything is possible.

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   Posted 3/20/2018 9:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with Dude. Whether or not that happened, it isn't useful to worry about it. I don't think we will ever know for sure, and even if we did it wouldn't help my health.

I chose to focus on stories of people recovering, and positive ways of changing my situation.

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   Posted 3/21/2018 12:45 AM (GMT -6)   
the worst possible chemical weapon would be ticks. they are slow to act and sometimes takes months to get the troops disabled. what kind of weapon is that?

these articles and books make us all look silly, like online communities that think there is a world government run by alien reptilians....

lyme is a real disease and we have a problem some people believing this. my dentist does not think even acute lyme exists. let alone chronic....it's that bad....

last thing we need is chatting about "ww2 germans in belarus spreading ticks". and the moon landing was a hoax.....riiight sad

we will all be politely asked to look for psychological counseling instead of antibiotics. good outcome...

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   Posted 3/21/2018 2:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Rainy cloud said...
So I'm reading this book:

/amazon.com/Lab-257-Disturbing-Governments-Laboratory/dp/006078184X/

It says:

In the preface of The Belarus Secret, Loftus laid out a striking piece of
information gleaned from his spy network:
Even more disturbing are the records of the N azi germ warfare scien-
tists who came to America. They experimented with poison ticks
dropped from planes to spread rare diseases. I have received some
information suggesting that the U.S. tested some of these poison ticks
on the Plum Island artillery range off the coast of Connecticut during
the early 1950s. . . . Most of the germ warfare records have been
shredded, but there is a top secret U.S. document confirming that
“clandestine attacks on crops and animals” took place at this time.

What do you guys think?


I don't buy into this. and as mpost stated: not quick or devastating enough to disable the troops.
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   Posted 3/21/2018 2:36 AM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
Whether or not it's true, I don't think this information is helpful. Most of us are worried enough as it is, without having more fuel put on the fire. That's my opinion.
understanding tuskegee and 23 peptides genetic modification with helminith and and protozoan pathogens is useful to me ...know thy enemy...covering eyes doesnt make the current sinister pandemic any less real imo

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   Posted 3/21/2018 11:24 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't talk about that stuff publicly because it makes it easier to dismiss us by marginalizing us into the looney bin conspiracy theorist narrative that has already been laid out.

But I will say look at all the circumstantial evidence coupled with how the government has handled these infections. It's rather striking to say the least.

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   Posted 3/21/2018 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
I didn't know anything about Plum Island, but I would not be surprised. Various testing goes on all over the world without the consequences being known, and sadly, sometimes even with the consequences being known. I'd like to think that if the whole story were true, that they were trying to contain the bacteria by being on an island, perhaps not realizing how it's spread. However, like many things in life, the testing that goes on then and now is not something I can control.

I've been to the East coast many, many times. I don't know when or where I was infected. It doesn't really matter. What matters is getting well.

Long way of saying I agree it's best to focus on one's health and living the best life you can!
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   Posted 3/21/2018 9:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Since we dont get to entertain these theories often ...

Here's a few on morgellons before this thread goes to oblivion land. Most of these were sent to me by a special friend suffering from the disease that only us delusional closet meth heads suffer from:

If anyone wants to discuss these or any theories off the site I am always willing to kick the tires around on any theory, so just email me.

If youre easily triggered please dont read:

/www.voltairenet.org/article166027.html

Then page 5 of this shows agrobacterium in all morgellons patients.

/www.asa3.org/ASA/cest/CESTwinter2011.pdf

References to parasite organisms are being removed:
morgellonswatch.com/2007/09/11/the-mrfs-new-theory/

And my favorite is some one's experience and rant about Morgellons and Mold (I did many of these treatments mentioned):

"... Regardless of who does or doesn’t believe me, it is mold. I know this for a FACT. I’ve been trying to tell people…to help people….cuz I feel so bad for them. I know how horrible this is. I had the **** tested. I had it confirmed. Even the, “mold expert”, told me that the filaments, “can’t be hyphae, cuz hyphae is microscopic”. I insisted he sent it to the lab anyway, cuz I knew he was wrong. He was wrong. I was right.

The lab confirmed the filaments to be hyphae. Here’s the thing. There is, “non motile hyphae”, (that simply means it doesn’t MOVE), and there is a rarer type of hyphae that is called, “motile”. It MOVES. The non motile hyphae is mostly composed of chitin. A hard substance that doesn’t dissolve in what is called the KOH test. That’s a standard test to diagnose fungal infection. The non motile hyphae, has a different composition.

It’s not chitin, like the better known hyphae. Chitin would restrict it’s ability to move. So…the motile hyphae….dissolves in the standard fungal test. So the dumb $hits don’t recognize it as fungus….cuz it dissolves in the fungus test! So the IDIOTS…test you…using the wrong test…they DISSOLVE the motile hyphae….they dissolve the fungus…they dissolve the evidence….and tell you there is nothing wrong with
you. TARDS.

Then, you PAY THEM for their ignorance and go to another ignoramice, only to get the same results. Sorry if I sound angry, but I AM ANGRY. I’m angry for me n’ my kid. I’m angry for you and people like you. First, you’re a victim of mold. Second, you’re a victim of medical IGNORANCE.

There are countless ways to help yourself. If you read all the posts and research the info, you will learn that everything that you read that is consistently posted that, “helps”, people…is all..fungistatic, fungicidal, antifungal ingredients. So, you’re probably overwhelmed with the info. I HEAR YA.

Misty, (and whomever else is reading this), I am posting on my own time. I have NOTHING TO GAIN, NOTHING TO SELL. I am posting out of moral obligation and moral obligation alone. I was swollen. My eyes, my joints, my fingers, my face…swollen. I had lesions that were so bad they left scars. I had bloody noses daily. I had severe headaches on a regular basis.

I had a hard time concentrating and/or staying focused. My hair was falling out of my head. I had random rashes and red lines on my body. I had weird sand like crap, black specs, fibers, etc…coming out of my skin. I could go on, but you get the pic. It was HORRIBLE.

I am not 100% better, nor is my kid, but we ARE GETTING BETTER. I thought we were going to die. Really. We went to so many Drs and not a one helped us. They were condescending and dismissive. We were victimized by their IGNORANCE concerning this pathogen. So I had no choice, but to LEARN.

If you are suffering from this pathogen, you probably have a systemic fungal infection. MOLD INSIDE OF YOU. Yup, gross, but true. If you kill mold too fast, it responds by sporing like crazy. It does that in order to save itself. So you have to PACE the kill. If you take antifungals, all that really does is to prevent it from turning to ergosterol. It DOESN’T kill it. It prevents a cycle. So, it simply hybernates and comes BACK. You have to kill it and you have to kill it slow. It’s a ***** to kill, but you have no options.

Start with the biotin, in order to prevent it from turning to the hyphal form. It’s in that form, that it progresses through your body. It literally eats you alive. Slowly, ever so slowly. If you don’t believe me, research biotin preventing invasive fungus from morphing to the hyphal form on the national institute of health’s website. Really, biotin. Then, oil of oregano. Direct kill.

Not a prevention of a mold cycle, like the antifungal meds. Look that up too if ya need to. Then, you have to start eating fat. Beef fat is best I think. Fatty acid kills it. Sardines. Yup, GROSS…but they’re loaded with crap that kills the crap. If ya hate them n’ it makes ya grossed out, you can smoosh ’em into tuna, (which has selenium n’ kills fungus too), and make a tuna/sardine sandwhich.

You have to kill it INSIDE as well as outside. Go to the grocery store and buy beef bones. Yup, they’re a couple of bucks. Boil them for an hour or so, make soup/broth. In the beef bones there is marrow and fat. Add carrots, onions, cayenne pepper, thyme, garlic. All of these ingredients kill fungus.

I got a juicer for a hundred bucks. I juice pinapples, oranges, mango, lemons, carrots, papaya and drink it. All of these ingredients kill fungus. Get, “cold pressed”, castor oil. Rub it into your skin. Then put a heating pad on it for as long as your willing. The heat will turn the oil into undeclynic acid. That kills fungus. Buy real salt. Not table salt.

Table salt is processed and most of the sodium chloride is removed. Real salt is 98% sodium chloride, whereas table salt is like…25% or so. Salt kills it. Vitamin C, (ascorbic acid form), this kills it too.

Whenever you are willing or able, spice the crap out of your meat. Thyme, cayenne, rosemary, pepper. These spices kill fungus. Cinnamon kills fungus. Make cinnamon toast, tea, french toast, oatmeal, etc. Cook with coconut oil. The medium chain fatty acids kill fungus.

Get ashwaghanda and take as directed. Buy, “heel tastic”, and rub on skin. Really. You have to PACE THE KILL. You have to kill it INSIDE as well as out. You have to get your ENVIRONMENT under control. It’s a total pain in the arse……but I know for a FACT it can be done.

Where the lesions and/or bumps in our skin was bad….we used DMSO. I read this is dangerous, cuz DMSO carries whatever is on you…into your body. So I have no idea if it’s safe or not. But….we used it and it worked. We scrubbed for three to five minutes with hyberclense first….then put DMSO and it definately killed the$hit. Especially when it was mixed with antiseptic wash…but only a little…cuz the DMSO can carry it into your blood…or so I read.

It is most definately fungus. Because it lives symbiotically, it COULD be bacteria too and it COULD be virus too. In that case, the best thing to do is the oil of oregano…kills everything. Regardless….it is first and foremost….fungus.

I don’t know WHY the medical/scientific community is being so WEIRD about this problem. I struggle with believing they are THAT stupid, but maybe they are? Maybe they don’t want to create some kind of mass hysteria by telling the truth? Or, maybe they just don’t know. I have no idea, which one of these scenarios is the case, but IT IS FUNGUS and you MIGHT have a co infection.

If you’re in a hurry, no time for all this ridiculous process….make a little potion of aloe vera gel and about 15 drops of lemongrass oil. Rub it on your skin and go. It kills it too, but only on the top layer of your skin.

So, there you have it. Believe me, don’t believe me….whatever. If you can help it, stay away from starches n’ sugar. I find that nearly impossible….but I have reduced those things. So….all the random things you read that help…DO HELP.

They are all fungicides, antifungals, fungistatics, etc. You can do any or all of those things, it’s up to you. I told you the cheapest, easiest things that I know of. OH….I didn’t tell you this, borax. From the health food store. Ingestible borax has made a difference too. So…..we went from nearly dead, to almost better and progressively on the mend.

The four molds that were confirmed in my house were Aspergillus/pennicillium, stachybotrys and cladiosporum. That’s just confirmed. Who knows what else. It was confirmed in our clothing, furniture, walls. Yeast, (unidentifiable yeast), was confirmed in our skin.

I have done the things I’ve posted. I can THINK again. I can concentrate again. The bloody noses have stopped. My hair isn’t falling out anymore. The lesions are gone. The torturous itching is gone. The headaches are gone. The swelling is almost gone. The specs are no longer. The joints don’t hurt. We still have some issues, but they continue to dissipate as I continue this approach WITH ZERO HELP FROM THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY"

/livingwithmorgellons.wordpress.com/2013/05/30/what-morgellons-does-to-a-life/

And here is a scientific study which shows amoeba can be used to facilitate HGT between bacteria (Rickettsia bellii)

www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(14)63535-7/fulltext

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Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 3/21/2018 8:39:11 PM (GMT-6)


Rainy cloud
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   Posted 3/21/2018 9:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you ChickenArise, I totally agree with you.

bluelyme I agree with you too: know thy enemy, learning about all of this made me understand WHY so many antibiotics fail: because lyme was designed to survive, thrive and disable people. It makes me understand WHY we need to think outside of the box. Because this tick was designed to survive. Why choose tics? Because tics are extremely hard to kill in either cold or hot weather, they withstand practically anything.

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 3/21/2018 9:50 PM (GMT -6)   
"...us delusional closet meth heads..."

That made me laugh aloud! Thanks, amigo! turn

Good post!

Rainy cloud
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   Posted 3/22/2018 7:05 PM (GMT -6)   
No wonder detox works, it's all that meth left in our bodies.
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