On the fence about flu vaccines? Watch this!

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Girlie
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   Posted 3/21/2018 1:23 AM (GMT -6)   
I think this is relevant to lyme - as some of us are pressured by employers to have the flu vaccines.



/healthimpactnews.com/2018/former-medical-director-of-cleveland-clinic-speaks-out-after-being-fired-for-questioning-flu-vaccine/

Edited to change the title of the thread.

Who knew that newborns were given Hep B vaccinations?
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Post Edited (Girlie) : 3/21/2018 12:37:46 PM (GMT-6)


Girlie
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   Posted 3/21/2018 2:38 AM (GMT -6)   
I watched the video - Wow - it's definitely worth a watch.

Makes you think twice about vaccines.
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Girlie
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   Posted 3/21/2018 12:38 PM (GMT -6)   
bump
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Girlie
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   Posted 3/21/2018 3:41 PM (GMT -6)   
It's a good video...really it is...lol....anyone? tongue
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Hoagie
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   Posted 3/21/2018 3:49 PM (GMT -6)   
I didn't watch the video yrt. But, I did read the article.

This may be the lyme talking, but sometimes I can't help but to think that rhe CDC is one of many organizations involved in a way to "thin out the herd". And the flu vaccine is another mode of getting people sick.

I received my first ever flu shot early last year. Wonder if that was one of the components leading to my deterioration.

Girlie
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   Posted 3/21/2018 3:55 PM (GMT -6)   
The Dr. has totally changed his views on vaccines.


If you have the time, it's worth a watch.

He said that newborns get a Hep B vaccination - with in 24 hours. I never knew that...do they not even tell us? I don't recall being asked/informed when my son was born.

Can you imagine a newborn's immune system handling a vaccine....my goodness...it doesn't make sense.
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   Posted 3/21/2018 4:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie said...

This may be the lyme talking, but sometimes I can't help but to think that rhe CDC is one of many organizations involved in a way to "thin out the herd". And the flu vaccine is another mode of getting people sick.

I received my first ever flu shot early last year. Wonder if that was one of the components leading to my deterioration.


I've wondered about that, too, Hoagie.

My chronic symptoms started 4 days after a flu vaccine in 2009. I kind of don't think it was a coincidence. I think it did something to trip up my immune system.

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   Posted 3/21/2018 4:10 PM (GMT -6)   
My husband is pressured to get the flu vaccine - as he works in Healthcare.

He did get the vaccine this year...and a week ago he got a really bad cough...and can't seem to shake it. The Dr. prescribed abx thinking maybe it was a chest infection...but they didn't help.
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   Posted 3/21/2018 4:25 PM (GMT -6)   
I read the newsletter that started the uproar, Cleveland Clinic's disavowal, and the doctor's apology.

Cleveland Clinic said: "Cleveland Clinic is fully committed to evidence-based medicine. Harmful myths and untruths about vaccinations have been scientifically debunked in rigorous ways."

I'm curious if anyone has personally reviewed any of these studies they claim have scientifically debunked assertions that vaccines can cause harm?

Georgia Hunter?

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   Posted 3/21/2018 4:30 PM (GMT -6)   
As a side note, I already had a negative red-flag impression of Cleveland Clinic. When I saw a functional MD over a year ago, one of the employees told me her sister had some kind of chronic symptoms that were debilitating and she was going to that clinic. At first, I was impressed until she told me they basically were just teaching her how to manage her symptoms - nothing about getting to the root causes of her problems. That sent sirens going off for me. You won't catch me there!

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   Posted 3/21/2018 5:08 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
As a side note, I already had a negative red-flag impression of Cleveland Clinic. When I saw a functional MD over a year ago, one of the employees told me her sister had some kind of chronic symptoms that were debilitating and she was going to that clinic. At first, I was impressed until she told me they basically were just teaching her how to manage her symptoms - nothing about getting to the root causes of her problems. That sent sirens going off for me. You won't catch me there!


Good on that Dr speaking up about it. Takes some courage to do that.
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Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 3/21/2018 5:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I've read about flu vaccinations causing Guillain Barre Syndrome.

Girlie
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   Posted 3/21/2018 5:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie said...
I've read about flu vaccinations causing Guillain Barre Syndrome.


So you watched the video Hoagie? The man this Dr spoke of died of vaccine induced GBS..and the diagnosis got changed to ALS!!!
That is outrageous!

I remembering reading about GBS when I first got symptoms -
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Hoagie
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   Posted 3/21/2018 5:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Hoagie said...
I've read about flu vaccinations causing Guillain Barre Syndrome.


So you watched the video Hoagie? The man this Dr spoke of died of vaccine induced GBS..and the diagnosis got changed to ALS!!!
That is outrageous!

I remembering reading about GBS when I first got symptoms -


Haven't watched the video yet. But as you did, GBS is something I looked into when symptoms first started.

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   Posted 3/21/2018 6:18 PM (GMT -6)   
I'll add to the fun...

A Lone FDA Scientist Could End The Autism Epidemic
/medium.com/@jbhandley/a-lone-fda-scientist-could-end-the-autism-epidemic-d98f26fc1b53

Ingredients in Vaccines
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKCdIPxLACQ&t=255s

The following quotes came from a (much longer) weekly newsletter I received several weeks ago, regarding flu shots:

The risk of getting the flu is very low, and the efficacy of the vaccine is low, yet people are instructed to have a vaccine that contains ingredients like monosodium glutamate, hydrolyzed porcine gelatin, ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid, formaldehyde, and Madin Darby Canine Kidney cell protein; and can cause side effects that include Guillain-Barre syndrome, acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, transverse myelitis, shingles (herpes zoster), neuropathic demyelination, seizures, neuropathy, brachial plexopathy, rheumatoid arthritis, optic neuritis, and Bell's palsy.(3)

(3) www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html

The Exploding Autoimmune Epidemic - Dr. Tent
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aHRMjVHggI

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   Posted 3/21/2018 6:42 PM (GMT -6)   
I got the flu shot last year when I think I was having my initial lyme flu like symptoms, assuming I got bit in CA over the holidays. The next day, I was much worse, and I never seemed to recover, and then 2 months later, my lyme symptoms exploded. I always wondered if it was the flu shot that set things off. It might not have been, I was sick anyway, so that was where I went wrong in the first place, getting the flu shot while I was sick. What was the nurse thinking??

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   Posted 3/22/2018 7:35 AM (GMT -6)   
That was a very good video, thanks for sharing.

My view of "traditional" medical doctors has changed through my "ALS" Lyme journey. He is right on his points, these doctors go through medical school and are taught these things. Many are blind and roll their eyes at the thought of something being more than a "traditional" (taught) illness. They are churned out of these medical training factories educated with someone elses ideas and practices and just keep the same mindset and ideologies. Luckily the doctor in this video saw the light and started to question things. Unfortunately it cost him his job, but hes better off for it.

I had Cleveland clinic doctors roll their eyes at me and laugh under their breath when I asked them about Lyme disease. They are ignorant to it because they were improperly taught about it and the light has never come on for them.

I had learned of the functional medicine side of the Cleveland clinic through a friend. When I had asked my neurologists about it the description given was one leaving to believe that they were the quacks of the bunch. It's truly sad that anything outside of their taught expertise is some how wrong or weird. The arrogance of these people just angers me!

As for the flu vaccine, I don't personally believe in it. I've had it once and still got the flu. That was enough to convince me that the shot was worthless. The way I understand it is that the vaccine is specifically engineered by the CDC, the same guys that say we don't have Lyme! every year we hear how this is the worst year for the flu, obviously the CDC is as good as picking out a flu strand as the weather man is at predicting the weather.

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   Posted 3/22/2018 7:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Research suggests Vitamin D helps protect the body from the flu, and some doctors believe it may be more effective (and safer) than the flu vaccine.

Dr. Mercola: Vitamin D Is More Effective Than Flu Vaccine, Study Says
/tinyurl.com/yc6cg4s9

Study confirms vitamin D protects against colds and flu
/tinyurl.com/j2tcw6j

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   Posted 3/22/2018 10:56 AM (GMT -6)   
The video is revealing about not only vaccines but the whole medical system which we are trusting if we choose not to educate ourselves which is not a straightforward proposition because of the level of medical propaganda which has come to light with regards to Lyme.

Why shouldnt we expect that we have been fed additional propaganda ?

Question everything, especially the words that are positioned to be repeated over and over again such as "Lyme is a tick borne disease."

Nitazoxanide has been a very useful drug in treating Lyme for many so why is it priced to keep it out of our reach?

There is an enormous amount of medical weight that places focus on bacteria as responsible for just about everything as opposed to other parasite classes.

I have been asking myself is this justifiable? In nature there is a hierarchy in decomposition. It goes from larger parasites to smaller. Bacteria are often last in line for cleanup.

Just thinking aloud for what it is worth.

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   Posted 3/22/2018 11:36 AM (GMT -6)   
For what it's worth, I'm fairly certain it was a flu and pneumonia vaccine at the same time that lowered my defenses enough to allow lyme to take hold. I had all the lyme symptoms that following weekend of an initial bite (fever, redness, swelling, etc), and then my muscle pain and twitches, vision and sound issues all progressed from there. I don't remember an actual bite.
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