Any experience with a non-babesia protozoan infection?

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Aerose91
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   Posted 3/28/2018 4:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Both my doctor and I believe that i have some type of protozoa on top of bartonella due to my really strong psych symptoms. However, he did extensive testing for babesia microti and duncani, as well as a FISH test, and all came back negative. He did a blood smear, though, and said he saw what looked to be some type of protozoa. Anyone else have experience with this? Does not knowing the type change the treatment methods at all?

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   Posted 3/29/2018 12:47 AM (GMT -6)   
ya im seeing it in the microscope .its larger and has classic Brownian motion...the more you attack it the more hypo-coagulated the blood is . based on that i think its protozoa rheumatica or fl1953 or funnelcakeitis or what ever dr. fry is calling it theses days . i believe ginger savely had golden thread and bb2 on deck . i have been using venom and alinia . spooky has some frequencies for it ...i assume i and everyone has mycoplasma incognitus too oh when its not that its toxoplasmosis! which alters brain chemistry and falls easily with lots of rife imo

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   Posted 3/29/2018 10:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Aerose,

I know Georgia Hunter has posted a lot about protozoans, but I'm not sure if he was only referring to those in the GI tract or just in general.

In Buhner's Babesia book, he says this about Bidens:

"The bidens are systemic herbal antibacterials with a fairly wide range of action against both Gram-positive and Gram-negative bacteria; they are also active against a fairly wide range of protozoa."

Bidens pilosa is the species he recommends.

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   Posted 3/29/2018 12:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Does he recommend bidens over cryptolepis for protozoan in general?

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   Posted 3/29/2018 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   
i'd hit it with alinia first choice or ivermectin second choice. throw black cumin seed oil into the mix and that's a pretty potent combo to hit general parasites.

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   Posted 3/29/2018 3:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Aerose91 said...
Does he recommend bidens over cryptolepis for protozoan in general?


From the Babesia book, here's what he says about cryptolepis:

"Cryptolepis sanguinolenta . . . . is the species I have used for the past 15 years; it is very reliable as a broad-spectrum antibiotic, especially for protozoal infections and MRSA. . . . The root is usually the part used medicinally."

He mentions it's active against Gram positive and negative organisms, Protozoa, and yeasts.

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   Posted 3/29/2018 7:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Cool. Im already taking sida and cryptolepis as well as black cumin seed oil for a gut infection. It sure hasn't been helping though

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   Posted 3/29/2018 8:05 PM (GMT -6)   
consider propolis pills and alinia ...also look into coptis and goldenthread

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   Posted 3/29/2018 9:19 PM (GMT -6)   
bluelyme said...
oh when its not that its toxoplasmosis! which alters brain chemistry and falls easily with lots of rife imo


I would second Blue's suggestion about Toxo.... It definitely interferes with the brain and neurotransmitters. I have seen estimates that as high as 75% of the world's population are latently infected with Toxo. But, most figures place it at 30-50% of the world's population.

There is also a significant connection between latent Toxoplasmosis and Schizophrenia and Bipolar disorder. If you don't believe me, just do a PubMed search for the studies on Schizophrenia and Toxoplasma.

Check out these videos with Stanford University Professor Robert Sapolsky:

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er2MDF9UmuA

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3x3TMdkGdQ

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   Posted 3/29/2018 9:25 PM (GMT -6)   
And, even though most people are latently infected instead of acutely infected with Toxoplasma, latent Toxoplasmosis still causes symptoms and problems, particularly affecting the brain. Similar to how latent Syphilis still causes mental symptoms and damage.

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   Posted 3/29/2018 10:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah I was going to say toxoplasma if you're looking at protozoa. But in reality I don't think you can correlate the symptoms to such a broad category of life. Symptoms are ultimately a consequence of pathogen tropism and host/parasite interactions. There's a lot of potential for convergent evolution in human pathogens and it's very difficult to distinguish on symptomology alone unless it fits a particular epidemiological pattern

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   Posted 3/29/2018 10:51 PM (GMT -6)   
I understand that most of what we feel is the body's immune response vs the pathogen itself. So, theoretically any number of pathogens can cause the same symptoms because they elicit the same immune response. However, it seems that some things fall more to particular classes of bacteria/viruses/parasites, right? This whole disease is in my brain after getting encephalitis, but whatever it is/was has to have an afinity for brain tissue

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   Posted 3/30/2018 8:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Aerose91 said...
He did a blood smear, though, and said he saw what looked to be some type of protozoa. Anyone else have experience with this? Does not knowing the type change the treatment methods at all?


See if your doctor will give you pictures of the blood smear (at 1000x) with the "protozoan" in the frame and post them here. I would be especially interested in seeing what he is considering a possible protozoan. We have a number of amatuer blood microscopists on this forum, so perhaps we could give some more input.

For treatment, it does matter what species of protozoan your particular organism is. If Toxoplasma, the typical Babesia meds will probably do little. Bactrim is the poor-man's choice for Toxoplasmosis and actually works fairly well. But if you want the big guns you'll have to get your doc to prescribe Daraprim. It's INSANELY expensive in the U.S. (thanks Martin Shkrely), but can be ordered from abroad for a LOT less money. I found this article about a cheap compounded alternative, but not sure if still available, or if it ever became available.

/www.fiercepharma.com/sales-and-marketing/compounder-targets-turing-s-now-pricey-daraprim-1-per-pill-alternative

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   Posted 3/30/2018 11:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Is there any effective herbal treatment for toxoplasmosis?

Isn't that the disease they warn pregnant women about on boxes of cat litter? I clean the litter box and don't use a mask or gloves. I wash my hands thoroughly but I wonder about inhalation.

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   Posted 3/30/2018 11:46 AM (GMT -6)   
TOOTY said...
Aerose91 said...
He did a blood smear, though, and said he saw what looked to be some type of protozoa. Anyone else have experience with this? Does not knowing the type change the treatment methods at all?


See if your doctor will give you pictures of the blood smear (at 1000x) with the "protozoan" in the frame and post them here. I would be especially interested in seeing what he is considering a possible protozoan. We have a number of amatuer blood microscopists on this forum, so perhaps we could give some more input.

For treatment, it does matter what species of protozoan your particular organism is. If Toxoplasma, the typical Babesia meds will probably do little. Bactrim is the poor-man's choice for Toxoplasmosis and actually works fairly well. But if you want the big guns you'll have to get your doc to prescribe Daraprim. It's INSANELY expensive in the U.S. (thanks Martin Shkrely), but can be ordered from abroad for a LOT less money. I found this article about a cheap compounded alternative, but not sure if still available, or if it ever became available.

/www.fiercepharma.com/sales-and-marketing/compounder-targets-turing-s-now-pricey-daraprim-1-per-pill-alternative


Thanks, this is great information. Unfortunately they wont give me a copy of the blood smear pic.s. Something about not wanting insurance companies or regulators to find out they do it so they label it as "investigatory". If I'm able to somehow get my hands on it tho, I'd be happy to post it and get your guys' input. I'll second WalkingByFaith's question. Any herbs to try for toxoplasmosis?

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   Posted 3/30/2018 11:49 AM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
Is there any effective herbal treatment for toxoplasmosis?

Isn't that the disease they warn pregnant women about on boxes of cat litter? I clean the litter box and don't use a mask or gloves. I wash my hands thoroughly but I wonder about inhalation.


I am not well-versed in the herbal treatments for Toxo, but from my PubMed studies I know Green Tea Extract has a potent antimicrobial effect on Apicomplexans (Toxo, Babs, & Malaria). Bee Venom Therapy does too!

Yes, Toxo is a very serious infection for pregnant women! And, infection by inhalation is a real danger. Just the dust from dirty cat litter can cause infection! It usually causes stillbirths, but can also cause brain damage and physical deformities to the developing unborn child.

Cats are reservoirs for a couple life-threatening infections and that is why I do NOT and will NOT ever have a cat! Cats are well-known carriers of Bartonella and Toxoplasma. In fact, cats are the only living creature on earth that Toxo can sexually reproduce in, so if all cats were eliminated, Toxo would eventually die out.

I encourage everyone to listen to both those videos with Robert Sapolsky I posted links to above. Chronic degenerative illnesses and even mental illnesses are on the rise, and I feel chronic stealth infection is a key player in both.

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   Posted 3/30/2018 12:03 PM (GMT -6)   
An interesting tidbit I forgot to mention is that the Benzodiazepines act as Toxoplasma inhibitors. Benzos are not something I want to ever be on again because of how addictive they are (and the trouble with increased tolerance), but it's just an interesting thing to contemplate as it relates to chronic stealth infections, the estimated high infection rates worldwide of latent Toxoplasmosis, and the increased usage of the Benzos.

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   Posted 3/30/2018 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
Is there any effective herbal treatment for toxoplasmosis?

Isn't that the disease they warn pregnant women about on boxes of cat litter? I clean the litter box and don't use a mask or gloves. I wash my hands thoroughly but I wonder about inhalation.


I remember - when I was pregnant I stayed away from gardening - weeding our flower beds because it was a litter box for several neighborhood cats (including mine) I didn't even want to wear gloves and be exposed.


There is treatment: Daraprim and Sulfadiazine.
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   Posted 3/30/2018 2:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Daraprim is another a** kicker.

didn't find cryptolepis to be all that effective against parasites except for babesia where it did have some affect, at least in my case.

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   Posted 3/30/2018 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
TOOTY said...
WalkingbyFaith said...
Is there any effective herbal treatment for toxoplasmosis?

Isn't that the disease they warn pregnant women about on boxes of cat litter? I clean the litter box and don't use a mask or gloves. I wash my hands thoroughly but I wonder about inhalation.


I am not well-versed in the herbal treatments for Toxo, but from my PubMed studies I know Green Tea Extract has a potent antimicrobial effect on Apicomplexans (Toxo, Babs, & Malaria). Bee Venom Therapy does too!

Yes, Toxo is a very serious infection for pregnant women! And, infection by inhalation is a real danger. Just the dust from dirty cat litter can cause infection! It usually causes stillbirths, but can also cause brain damage and physical deformities to the developing unborn child.

Cats are reservoirs for a couple life-threatening infections and that is why I do NOT and will NOT ever have a cat! Cats are well-known carriers of Bartonella and Toxoplasma. In fact, cats are the only living creature on earth that Toxo can sexually reproduce in, so if all cats were eliminated, Toxo would eventually die out.

I encourage everyone to listen to both those videos with Robert Sapolsky I posted links to above. Chronic degenerative illnesses and even mental illnesses are on the rise, and I feel chronic stealth infection is a key player in both.


Funny you say cats are a vector for toxoplasma. We had cats growing up and they had fleas. I also got scratched by one cat as a kid. I feel that's likely where this all started for me.

Buhner mentioned something about toxoplasma, he said Cryptolepus, Isatus, Skullcap and something called Torilis japonica are best for it. Maybe ill try to track that plant down.
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