babesia/bartonella symptoms, healing

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   Posted 3/28/2018 7:41 PM (GMT -6)   

I am in a very bad shape lately. My main symptoms: general weakness, head pain/pressure (debilitating, but no real pain), chest pain/tightness, shortness of breath, pain in the small intestines, ear ringing, muscle twitching, sleep problems, ight spots in the eyes, occasional tingling/numbness, cold extremities, chills, and pain-pain-pain (the whole body, muscles, nerves? joints? - scratching and stretching pain), shooting/stabbing pain sensations. Most of these symptoms wax and then wain a bit, but are there almost always (terrible muscle pain, and the pressure headache constantly).
Interesting thing is that when I am in a worsening situation for weeks, and am in a really bad shape with the feeling of dying, and start taking antibiotics (mostly macrolide, and/or tetracycline) the symptoms diminish almost immediately (at first the weekness and flu-like symptoms, then the air hunger/chest pain, and then body pain and insomnia) - it could happen that I feel a bit better already at the day when started taking them. At least as a human being with still lots of pain but not like crap smile. Until the end of treatment the flare-ups are smaller and generally the symptoms are mostly manageable, but when I stop taking the ABX the symptoms increase slowly back again. When I e.g. fail the diet, then I am soon again at there when I started. This has going on for years.
The problem is that I am unable to take the antibiotics for a long period as I have these massive small intestinal pains and sooner or later every course of abx ends with terrible pain and I have to stop the medication. Sometimes it is 2week, sometimes it is 5-6. This has been going on for years.

Do you have any idea what could be this? Which organism responds as quickly to abx? Could it be bart, or babesia? When I took rifampicin for 6weeks along with azythromycin I felt initially terrible, then a bit better, but then the debilitating head pressure increased a lot week by week (only for 1-2days, but eventually to a totally unbearable degree) and therefore stopped it.
Oh, and I am sure now that this is not a yeast issue! Altough symptoms increase when I eat sugar/gluten - or triggers a flare-up.

I have been taking buhner core/bart herbs for half a year now. Initially it worked for some degree - at least I did not need to take ABX, but for now it seems it is not enough.

The only thing that I haven't really tried is treating for babesia. Maybe this would be the key, I don't know, but I am afraid a lot as I read that babs treatment causes terrible herxes. As I feel already like dying I am afraid that I would not endure further increase of the symptoms.
Do you think that it could babesia really? And what to expect from a babesia treatment? Herxes for how long? Constant herxes, or sometimes stronger, sometimes weaker? When do usually herx start after starting treatment?

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   Posted 3/28/2018 8:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, it could be Babesia - if you didn't fully treat it.

Did you know that Dr. J. treats all of his patients for babesia? And...after a stabilization protocol, it's Babesia he targets.
He believes it's the one that is often holding people back from healing.

Dr. H.even talks about asymptomatic Babesia being the block.

So, yes...if you have't treated Babs really should consider it.

I handled the Mepron plus two antibioitics - pulsed...survived. Had some rough times - with head pressure and sweating.

Now, I'm back on it again...and so far it's not too bad...but I'm also not on the 5 days in a row dosing like I was the first time on it.

I have symptom flares...and herxes. Sometimes I can't distinguish between them.
Mine don't last days on end. I usually have only one bad day...and then a good day or mediocre day.
Sometimes two bad days in a row.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 3/29/2018 4:32 AM (GMT -6)   
hornet599 and Girlie,

I think I have similar situation going on, I have good days and then herx or flare. Im not sure if I can distinguish them either.

Still treating Bart and Babesia. I haven't had head pressure or air hunger for about 6 months but night sweats just came back strongly and Bart eye and random muscle twitching, pinching sensations on a roll yesterday.

I agree with Girlie and Dr J that Babesia seems to hang around and flare up, I know I stil have Bart but its strange how the Babesia kinda kicks me in the butt every few months.

Taking Bidens, Cryptolepis,Artemisinin for Babesia but maybe time for me to add Sida acuta back in too.

Also I do notice thatwhen I slack off on Epsom salt baths and lemon juice detoxing I am overall worse. So detoxing does make a huge difference for me.

Hornet: expect herxing when treating Babesia just take it slow with herbals at first if you decide to do Buhner Babesia protocol. Bidens, Sida, artemisinin are strong herbals.

Take care, Jo

Post Edited (goshawk) : 3/29/2018 3:35:17 AM (GMT-6)

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