Chronic levels AST / ALT (liver enzymes)

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cppoly
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   Posted 3/29/2018 7:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Are chronic levels elevated AST / ALT typical for people with Lyme and or co-infections? Is there any co-infection that in particular causes this?

Thanks

tickbite666
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   Posted 3/29/2018 8:02 AM (GMT -6)   
I had read somewhere many years ago that Bart can be responsible for elevated AST/ALT level. Let's see if I can track it down.


"Bartonella Like Organisms (BLO): Consideration, Signs and Symptoms
www.gordonmedical.com › ... › Lyme Disease + Coinfections

Feb 17, 2013 - BLO lives in the liver and spleen. It can cause mildly elevated liver enzymes and lymph node swelling. It can cause all the same cognitive, memory, and mood problems as BabLO but not as extreme. When BLO and BabLO come together these symptoms are additive making for a very impaired patient."

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astroman
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   Posted 3/29/2018 8:37 AM (GMT -6)   
You of course know abx use will do this. I would imagine killer herbs will to.

There are also identifiable genes that can do this in the liver phase I and phase II pathway.

D-limonone is very specific to helping the liver and its methalation pathways.

cppoly
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   Posted 3/29/2018 8:51 AM (GMT -6)   
Yep thanks, I haven't been on anything in about 3 years so I'm wondering if its from a co-infection

Girlie
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   Posted 3/29/2018 10:51 AM (GMT -6)   
I had higher liver enzymes at one point. It was after several months of treating lyme only.

I took a 2 1/2 month break, treated bart with Rifampin + a second antibiotic .

They haven't been high again. (over 2 1/2 years now)

So only thing I can think of is the lyme treatment brought out the bart symptoms (including high liver enzymes)....treated bart...and they're gone.

I'm treating babesia now...and I think maybe a few bart symptoms might be coming back...so we'll see what my liver enzymes do.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

astroman
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   Posted 3/29/2018 11:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes, ehrlichiosis makes high liver enzymes, and its seldom mentioned on this forum for some reason.

https://www.cdc.gov/ehrlichiosis/symptoms/index.html

Girlie
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   Posted 3/29/2018 11:54 AM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
Yes, ehrlichiosis makes high liver enzymes, and its seldom mentioned on this forum for some reason.

https://www.cdc.gov/ehrlichiosis/symptoms/index.html


I can’t speak about herbals, but as far as Pharma goes, Ehrlichia (and other lesser talked about co’s) should be taken care of with the lyme/Bart treatment so an additional protocol isn’t needed. So it’s not generally discussed with llmd’s
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi
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