Black and yellow corn like in stool.

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BBN!!
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   Posted 3/29/2018 9:10 PM (GMT -6)   
I know this is a sick subject but I need some answers. I've been on two antibiotics for bartonella for a month now & the past 2 eeeks I've been having strange things in stool. First it started with yellow looking corn in stool. I don't eat corn btw. Then I started notcibvg black looking corn in stool. I don't know if this is some kind of eggs or what. I can't really find anything online about it.

I notice after taking my first antibiotic which is rifampin I frequently use the bathroom afterwards sometimes 2 or 3 times. I also changed to a paleo diet recently so I don't know if that has anything to do with it. & I take probiotics.


Also sometimes my stool (apologize for this) is like shredded. Almost like diehrea but not quite. & I will notice the small black pieces in it. Today was the first time that I began to cramp after taking the first dose of antibiotics.

Any responses would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

ArtAngel
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   Posted 3/29/2018 9:31 PM (GMT -6)   
They could be parasites in which case their shapes and sizes should be exact replicas of one another. That's all I can think of - others may have a better idea.

BBN!!
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   Posted 3/29/2018 9:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah they are the same size. But thank you for the reply.

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 3/29/2018 10:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, BBN!!,

Definitely don't let the subject matter trouble you. Most of us are desensitized to discussions about bodily functions. For me, I'll talk about bowel movements as easily as I would about music or movies. smile

Since switching to a "Paleo" diet (which has no singular definition), how has your food intake changed? Making major changes to your diet will almost assuredly affect your elimination, until you get acclimated.

If you've had any digestive issues -- whether before or after switching diets -- you may simply be noticing undigested foods. If this is the case, here are some suggestions:

1. Try chewing your food more thoroughly. Chew everything until it's liquid. Do this for 24-48 hours, assuming normal bowel function, and see what happens.

2. You could also add digestive enzymes and/or digestive bitters with your meals. You could do so in conjunction with Item #1.

3. If you drink carbonated beverages, don't drink ANY of them one hour before meals, during meals, or one hour after meals. Doing so can negatively impact your stomach acid, and, in turn, cause issues with breaking-down and digesting foods. So, no beverages with bubbles.

4. Another possibility could be low stomach acid. (This could also be related to Item #3.) There are "Betaine Hydrochloride (HCL) with Pepsin" supplements to help increase the level of hydrochloric acid in the stomach, but I would NOT suggest using such supplements, unless you either have your stomach acid tested (via Heidelberg Gastrogram test) and/or you work with a knowledgeable healthcare provider that's experienced using such supplements.

Good luck,
The Dude

BBN!!
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   Posted 3/29/2018 10:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the reply. I went from eating anything & everything to a much more strict diet. I Basically just eat vegetables, fruit, nuts. & lots of meat & fish. I'll look into what you said. So do you not think it could be parrosites or anything?

I've had a hard time trying to figure out whether I've been herxing or anything & even though I was diagnosed with all of this I sometimes feel like maybe it's something else. I've noticed no Chang with how I feel. Although like my 5th & 6th day in I realized I had much more energy then I have had since feeling bad. Lots of ups and downs especially emotionally it seems. But anyways thank you very much for the reply!

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 3/29/2018 11:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, BBN!!

If someone told me they were going to switch from "eating anything & everything to a much more strict diet," I would caution them to do it gradually, lest they cause themselves gastrointestinal havoc!

As for the possibility of what you observed being parasites, anything is possible. Unfortunately, I'm not well-versed on the subject, so I would be speculating. Hopefully, some folks smarter than me will share their ideas.

You could always ask your doctor for a stool test, but, my limited understanding is stool testing can be somewhat unreliable. Some folks have suggested that a better way to test stool is to (1) order two or three stool tests from different labs, (2) take several stool samples over a few days, and (3) send the multi-day samples to each of the different labs. Obviously, this could be costly, unless covered by insurance.

I recommend trying the easiest and cheapest suggestions first:

1. Chewing your food more thoroughly, over the next 24-48 hours
2. Trying digestive enzymes and/or digestive bitters with your meals
3. Avoiding carbonated beverages one hour before meals, during meals, and one hour after meals

Always pick the lowest-hanging fruit!

It's common to question your diagnoses, as many conditions have overlapping symptoms. And, if you spend ANY amount of time searching online, then you're guaranteed to be even more confused!

Also, the emotional ups-and-downs, unfortunately, are common for many of us. Your symptoms can come-and-go, get worse then better, and may vanish and return or be replaced by something else.

One thing to remember is you don't have to solve everything by yourself or all at once. At any given moment, there are almost an unlimited number of things we could do. But, they're not all equally important or need to be done right then. Do whatever is the most important, in any given moment.

For example, preparing a meal takes precedence over folding laundry. You need to eat today. The laundry can wait until tomorrow...or, the next day. This mindset has helped me quite a lot. However, you may already operate this way.

I wish you the best,

The Dude

ArtAngel
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   Posted 3/30/2018 12:08 PM (GMT -6)   
It does sound like parasites.
The Dude is right about looking after your digestive system - digestive enzymes will help, trifala is a herb that supports gut health, DGL (licorice root) is another.
Having some apple cider vinegar before you eat will help with low stomach acid and a piece of raw ginger can help.
Taking betain HCL will help too.
It is low stomach acid that allows the parasites to get into your gut effectively leaving the 'gate' wide open for the bugs.
Doing a parasite protocol is easy you can discuss it with your doctor or take a herbal formula based on the Dr Hulda Clark remedy. After that I would suggest you stay on a maintenance protocol.
I found I kept on getting them back. They are hard to get rid of until you get your digestive system back to normal.

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   Posted 3/30/2018 6:01 PM (GMT -6)   
BBN!!,

I'm sorry you're having tummy troubles. Gut dysfunction has been one of my primary and longest running symptoms for 2.5 years now, and I still don't know what's causing it, so I definitely understand your concern. I have not seen any black or yellow items in my stool that I could not identify, but I have seen white things that look like the end of a bean sprout, and I don't eat sprouts.

I think Dude has offered some good suggestions to start with. I would suggest to take pictures if you haven't already. You could share them with your doctor.

If it's related to food digestion, the suggestions already made should help.

You mentioned eating nuts. When I'm on a restricted diet, I tend to eat nuts, too, cause I'm hungry and am not satisfied with meat and vegetables. I have found that nuts are harder to digest and if I eat them a lot, they can make my gut dysfunction worse. I also noticed the pieces come out in the stool somewhat because they don't get fully digested. I would suggest eating no nuts or seeds for 4-5 days and see if you notice any improvement in how you feel or in the appearance of your stool.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 3/30/2018 6:13 PM (GMT -6)   
"One thing to remember is you don't have to solve everything by yourself or all at once. At any given moment, there are almost an unlimited number of things we could do. But, they're not all equally important or need to be done right then. Do whatever is the most important, in any given moment."

Great advice, Dude!! I needed to hear that. I feel like the weight of figuring all this out is on my shoulders and time just keeps flying by and I haven't solved any of my issues yet. It gets very discouraging.

I diagnose myself with something different every day. One day I think it's Candida. The next day, I decide it's methane-producing SIBO (God knows I'm farting enough these days!!). Then, I'm convinced I've got parasites but am too afraid to try antiparasitics because I have nightmarish images of taking that stuff and having worms crawling out of my eyes, ears, nose and mouth, let alone coming out in stool. Finally, I chuck all those ideas and decide it's all Bartonella that has shut my gut down. Seriously though, I do need to get to the bottom of my gut dysfunction. It's only getting worse and it's been going on far too long.

insomniaaa
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   Posted 3/31/2018 4:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Internet said...

1. Papaya Seeds for Worms and Other Parasitic Infections

Like green papaya, the seeds of papaya fruit contain high levels of the proteolytic enzyme papain, which can help rid your body of parasites such as intestinal worms.

In the same way that papain breaks down undigested protein waste from your food, it can also dissolve the protective biofilm and fibrin that covers parasites, and particularly their eggs, on the walls of your lower intestine.

Good levels of digestive enzymes in your diet also help to improve and normalize your intestinal ecology, making it much less hospitable to worms and other parasites and much harder for them to breed.

Enzyme rich green papaya powder or capsules, like this one I take each day, are a simple alternative if you don’t have the fresh green fruit or seeds available. They also give you a consistent and measurable dose.

Make sure you use green papaya powder though, not ripe papaya powder, if you want the digestive enzyme benefits of papain.

Alongside proteolytic enzymes, the seeds from papaya also contain a unique anthelmintic alkaloid called carpaine that has been shown to be very effective at killing parasitic worms and amoebas.

There is much more detail on the human parasite problem and a great tasting smoothie treatment to get rid of them in using papaya seeds for parasites and intestinal worms.


https://superfoodprofiles.com/health-benefits-papaya-seeds

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 3/31/2018 4:12:29 AM (GMT-6)

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