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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 3/31/2018 8:51 PM (GMT -6)   
I just started drinking my nightly Natural Calm Magnesium citrate and got sudden weakness. I just remembered the same thing happened a night or two ago. I had just taken a few swallows of the magnesium drink and got up to leave the room. When I got to the doorway, I nearly collapsed with weakness. I leaned against the wall and leaned down with my hands on my knees. It was like all the cellular energy just suddenly drained out of my body like water draining out of a bathtub.

Has anyone else had this happen? What does the magnesium have to do with it?

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   Posted 3/31/2018 9:04 PM (GMT -6)   
So the Calm is too calming for you. This is weird.

Never heard of this happening. I've taken many magnesium forms too.

Are you fine with an Epsom salt bath?
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   Posted 4/1/2018 9:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Here are some situations where magnesium makes you feel worse. I see that muscle weakness is discussed. I hope this lends insight into your situation.

/drcarolyndean.com/2012/10/when-magnesium-makes-me-worse/


drsircus.com/magnesium/warnings-contraindications/

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   Posted 4/1/2018 9:51 AM (GMT -6)   
I have similar issues with magnesium that got worse and worse as I tried to take it. I haven't even been able to drink water with electrolytes in years because the minuscule amount of magnesium in them affect me so hard.

The first time I was in an epsom salt bath and suddenly got light headed and very sweaty. My heart started racing, and I had a panic attack. Since then any time I take even a supplement with 10mg of any kind of magnesium I experience similar symptoms plus any fluids in my body or water I drink comes straight out, I start feeling very dehydrated and anxious.

What I think was happening for me was that the intake of magnesium started dropping my cortisol too low, which allowed an increase in insulin and then knocked out my blood glucose causing hypoglycemia (I would get low glucose readings when having the anxiety after magnesium intake). What doesn't make sense is the frequent urination/thirst. That is more of a symptom of high blood glucose, which I don't have a problem with.

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   Posted 4/1/2018 10:18 AM (GMT -6)   
"What I think was happening for me was that the intake of magnesium started dropping my cortisol too low, which allowed an increase in insulin and then knocked out my blood glucose causing hypoglycemia (I would get low glucose readings when having the anxiety after magnesium intake). What doesn't make sense is the frequent urination/thirst. That is more of a symptom of high blood glucose, which I don't have a problem with."

Increase in insulin or no glucose dumped by the liver?

Glucose is tricky. Liver releases glucose. Insulin makes the body use the glucose after its dumped by liver:

Liver "dumps" glucose into blood, insulin from pancreas opens muscle cell receptors to use glucose.

High cortisol > liver dumps glucose in blood > body uses this unless you have insulin resistance or very high glucose (been there).

Low cortisol > less or no signal to liver, so no more glucose is released.

I never knew mag can lower glucose, I should blood test this on myself since I can be borderline high glucose under stress or athletic activity from elevated cortisol.

****WalkingbyFaith - do you have low cortisol levels? That is beyond the first step of adrenal fatigue. First step is to high cortisol, second is low cortisol. Ever test blood glucose?*****

I had high AM and night cortisol, which raised my blood glucose and anziety. Afternoon was low, sleepy.

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countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/1/2018 12:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Magnesium can lower cortisol. I am unsure if it has any effect directly on glucose. My train of thought was more that with the reduction of cortisol (which opposes insulin and can cause insulin resistance), then the insulin was able to do it's job more readily which lead to crashes in glucose.

If cortisol also signals the liver to dump glucose maybe I get hit from both sides -- insulin is more active and able to get glucose into the cells AND there is less glucose being dumped into the blood stream.

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   Posted 4/1/2018 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
countingstarsx said...
Magnesium can lower cortisol. I am unsure if it has any effect directly on glucose. My train of thought was more that with the reduction of cortisol (which opposes insulin and can cause insulin resistance), then the insulin was able to do it's job more readily which lead to crashes in glucose.

If cortisol also signals the liver to dump glucose maybe I get hit from both sides -- insulin is more active and able to get glucose into the cells AND there is less glucose being dumped into the blood stream.


Yes, the liver holds glucose storage and cortisol signals it to release into the blood. Based on that fact, I'm only assuming the opposite might happen- that low cortisol will make less sugar released from the liver.

This is why treating high adrenal out put with holy basil in turn will lower glucose. This is why people (other than diabetes type 1) who are very stressed with high cortisol also have high glucose and can develop diabetes type 2 the longer this stress stays active.

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   Posted 4/1/2018 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
I just started drinking my nightly Natural Calm Magnesium citrate and got sudden weakness. I just remembered the same thing happened a night or two ago. I had just taken a few swallows of the magnesium drink and got up to leave the room. When I got to the doorway, I nearly collapsed with weakness. I leaned against the wall and leaned down with my hands on my knees. It was like all the cellular energy just suddenly drained out of my body like water draining out of a bathtub.

Has anyone else had this happen? What does the magnesium have to do with it?


Until recently running-out, I had often been taking 2 teaspoons of Natural Calm Magnesium before bed. Other times, I might take 2-3 teaspoons twice daily. But, I've not personally had the issue you describe.

I wouldn't think that drinking the solution would have an immediate effect. Plus, since you diluted the powder in water and only took "a few swallows," that would seem like a really small dose. (Depending on how much powder you used, obviously.)

When I feel a migraine headache starting, I use a powdered pain reliever. I place the bitter powder on my tongue and drink a cup of water to get it down the hatch. For the times that the medication works, the quickest I've ever had relief is about 20 minutes. (Anecdotal. Not magnesium. Just FYI.)

Might there have been any other similarities between the two episodes you cited? Late at night? Tired when taking it? Not eating enough in the hours leading-up to the event? Anything else?

Also, did you take the Natural Calm powder that's only magnesium? Or, the one with calcium, too? Or, a different one?

You could try:

* Taking a smaller dose at the same evening time
* Taking the same dose earlier in the day
* Using a topical magnesium oil, rather than an oral supplement (much more cost effective)

Finally, are you taking the magnesium to help with sleep? Or, for some other reason?

I hope you find something that works!

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   Posted 4/1/2018 3:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks so much, guys, for the responses and the links. All good info.

I have been taking high doses of Natural Calm (5 tsp) after supper every night for well over 2 years. I started out with 1.5-2 tsp but had to increase the dose as time went on. I use it as a laxative to move my bowels. My bowels won't move without it. Sometimes I take slightly less (not even a measurable amount less) and I'm straining like childbirth to push stool out even if the stool isn't that hard.

It has no calcium in it.

I take epsom salt baths (3 cups) daily. I don't usually have a problem with it, but felt a strong urge to urinate this morning after the bath, like water was going right through me.

Last week, I tried taking d-limonene several times and olive leaf once and woke up feeling headachy and dehydrated. I've had bouts of weakness a lot over the last week.

I recently tried to clean up my diet because my gut just kept feeling worse and worse. I'm trying to avoid gluten, dairy, and sugar, but have probably cheated slightly in one way or another most every day. Still, a big change from what I was eating.

I feel bad pretty most all the time, and I don't think it's all Lyme & co. I think my body is getting sicker, weaker, and more dysfunctional all the time.

I've been in a bad way today, wanting to die again. I've lost almost everything (health, home, job, income and most of my life savings) and still have no solid answers or effective treatment that is getting me any better. I'm 10 months into Buhner's protocols, but I feel like I keep sinking deeper and deeper into whole body dysfunction. Doctors haven't been much help - even the out of pocket Lyme literate ones. I have an appointment Friday, but I've learned not to expect much other than losing another big chunk of what money I have left. I need more testing to get accurate answers and stop guessing at everything, but there's the money issue. Do I spend the rest of my savings on tests that may not be accurate or worth the cost, or spend the rest of my money keeping on taking the same herbs and supplements that haven't fixed anything while I keep sinking deeper?

Sorrysad. I don't mean to sound ungrateful or anything. I'm just worn out from all this and feeling very discouraged and sorry for myself. Hope I didn't ruin your Easter. I keep trying to remind myself of what Easter is all about but the worry and despair keep drowning it out.

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   Posted 4/1/2018 3:42 PM (GMT -6)   
DS herxed something fierce when ingesting magnesium early in treatment. Epsom salt foot baths and magnesium spray were okay though. He would collapse with chronic fatigue within hours of taking it - Natural Calm. I was careful to only do baths etc when he was already struck down with chronic fatigue from treatment to avoid additional sick days.

When he started capsules it was Nutramedix magnesium malate which his LLNP recommended, but this was a year to 1.5 years before he could tolerate capsules.

I would definitely consider pulling off ingesting it for now based on your reactions.
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   Posted 4/2/2018 2:10 AM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
Thanks so much, guys, for the responses and the links. All good info.

I have been taking high doses of Natural Calm (5 tsp) after supper every night for well over 2 years. I started out with 1.5-2 tsp but had to increase the dose as time went on. I use it as a laxative to move my bowels. My bowels won't move without it. Sometimes I take slightly less (not even a measurable amount less) and I'm straining like childbirth to push stool out even if the stool isn't that hard.

It has no calcium in it.

I take epsom salt baths (3 cups) daily. I don't usually have a problem with it, but felt a strong urge to urinate this morning after the bath, like water was going right through me.

Last week, I tried taking d-limonene several times and olive leaf once and woke up feeling headachy and dehydrated. I've had bouts of weakness a lot over the last week.

I recently tried to clean up my diet because my gut just kept feeling worse and worse. I'm trying to avoid gluten, dairy, and sugar, but have probably cheated slightly in one way or another most every day. Still, a big change from what I was eating.

I feel bad pretty most all the time, and I don't think it's all Lyme & co. I think my body is getting sicker, weaker, and more dysfunctional all the time.

I've been in a bad way today, wanting to die again. I've lost almost everything (health, home, job, income and most of my life savings) and still have no solid answers or effective treatment that is getting me any better. I'm 10 months into Buhner's protocols, but I feel like I keep sinking deeper and deeper into whole body dysfunction. Doctors haven't been much help - even the out of pocket Lyme literate ones. I have an appointment Friday, but I've learned not to expect much other than losing another big chunk of what money I have left. I need more testing to get accurate answers and stop guessing at everything, but there's the money issue. Do I spend the rest of my savings on tests that may not be accurate or worth the cost, or spend the rest of my money keeping on taking the same herbs and supplements that haven't fixed anything while I keep sinking deeper?

Sorrysad. I don't mean to sound ungrateful or anything. I'm just worn out from all this and feeling very discouraged and sorry for myself. Hope I didn't ruin your Easter. I keep trying to remind myself of what Easter is all about but the worry and despair keep drowning it out.


First of all, you don't sound ungrateful at all! You just sound worn-down, exhausted, fearful, and unsure. And, guess what: You have every right to feel that way, with all you're enduring. You're under an enormous amount of mental, physical, emotional, and financial stress.

Yet, despite ALL of this, you still take time to respond to other users, answer their questions, and offer guidance, advice, empathy, and hope! That shows tremendous character, love, and compassion! Lyme may have you down, but it's unable to conquer you. I believe in you.

Thank you for the follow-up information on your Magnesium intake and use. You're taking quite a lot. Now that I know it's for moving your bowels, you can, of course, disregard my previous suggestion of using topical Magnesium Oil. That won't help elimination.

Rather than taking high doses of Magnesium to help you eliminate, how about using high doses of Vitamin C instead?

(NOTE: I'm not a Doctor, Nurse, or Pharmacist, so first clear this with someone who actually knows what they're doing smile and who knows your medical history and other supplements/prescriptions you may be taking!)

The reason I'm suggesting Vitamin C, rather than Magnesium, is because of the Calcium/Magnesium relationship. If you take large doses of Magnesium, that might negatively affect your Calcium levels. That, in turn, could cause other problems. We can have too little AND too much of a good thing. I'm referring to supplemental forms - not food sources.

Really, I don't think we can ever manipulate just one thing in the body and have everything else remain constant. If we force one item in the body higher, the body will respond in whatever ways possible to counter the action and return to homeostasis. This includes taking high doses of Magnesium or Vitamin C.

But, given the choice between the two, in order to produce bowel movements, I believe Vitamin C may be preferable. Possibly even beneficial. As for whether or not you continue to take ANY supplemental Magnesium, I would defer to your Doctor, Nurse, and/or Pharmacist.

If it turns-out you try Vitamin C, I would suggest using plain ol' Ascorbic Acid. If you don't mind using the powdered form and mixing with water, it should be fairly cheap. Some Vitamin C supplements have small amounts of Calcium, too. I would suggest NOT using those varieties, due to the amounts of Vitamin C that may be required to achieve the desired outcome.

Finally, however, whether using high doses of Magnesium or Vitamin C, you're simply addressing a symptom and not the underlying dysfunction that's causing your impaired motility. I realize you know this, but I thought it was worth mentioning for any others who may find this post in the future.

Keep us updated on how it goes.

As for the other stuff, stay strong and stay connected!

The Dude

p.s. I'm editing this post to add the following links for your consideration. However, take them with a grain of salt. You're not likely "overdosing" on Magnesium, but the articles demonstrate the various effects that Magnesium can have on the body. Again, cause-and-effect. But, the dose makes the poison.

/www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/magnesium-overdose-whats-the-likelihood
/www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-998-MAGNESIUM.aspx
/ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Magnesium-HealthProfessional
/www.livestrong.com/article/277714-what-are-the-benefits-of-magnesium-gluconate-500-mg
/www.merckmanuals.com/home/hormonal-and-metabolic-disorders/electrolyte-balance/hypermagnesemia-high-level-of-magnesium-in-the-blood

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   Posted 4/2/2018 9:27 AM (GMT -6)   
I see from Dude Abides' comment that you're using it for bowel regularity. His comment about how everything causes an effect certainly makes sense. If the vit C works, that's great. It seems you'll need to try other methods and wean off mag since you may need to cut back/out the magnesium with this severe weakness. Hopefully others will chime in with what works for them with constipation.

Here are a few things that worked for me (granted I don't have Lyme but do have IBS): using probiotics helped a lot and while pregnant, I ate 1/3-1/2 c. of All Bran cereal and that worked. I realize you are trying to eat gluten free though.
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   Posted 4/2/2018 9:47 AM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...



The reason I'm suggesting Vitamin C, rather than Magnesium, is because of the Calcium/Magnesium relationship. If you take large doses of Magnesium, that might negatively affect your Calcium levels. That, in turn, could cause other problems. We can have too little AND too much of a good thing. I'm referring to supplemental forms - not food sources.

Really, I don't think we can ever manipulate just one thing in the body and have everything else remain constant. If we force one item in the body higher, the body will respond in whatever ways possible to counter the action and return to homeostasis. This includes taking high doses of Magnesium or Vitamin C.



Yes, magnesium also has a relationship with the other electrolytes too -- potassium and sodium. Too much of one can certainly deplete the others.

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   Posted 4/2/2018 9:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Could you still be reacting/herxing from the d-limonene and/or olive? I have had herxes which went on for weeks.

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   Posted 4/2/2018 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
I was taking magnesium for a while, but after a while it started to make my feet swell and my other symptoms worse, and then I stopped it, and I actually felt better

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   Posted 4/2/2018 1:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Dude,

Thank you immensely for the kind words of encouragement and the detailed analysis. I'm sure you're right. I can't take that high a dose long term without something else getting out of whack.

I do take powdered Vit C but only manage to get one 3 gram dose in a day. The first time I took Vit C, I had NOW brand crystals and followed the instructions on the bottle for 3 doses per day, which came to 6 grams. The first day I forgot the last dose. The 2nd day I forgot it altogether. The 3rd day I took the first 2 doses and within 30 minutes of the 3rd dose, I started itching and burning and got extremely irritable and started yelling. I thought I was allergic to something. I came across something about Vit C that gave an explanation as to what likely happened, but I can't remember what it was. I think it was in Lisa Petrison's Beginner's Guide to Mold Avoidance or on the paradigmchange.me site or Phoenix Rising forum. After that, I started only taking one dose a day. Oddly, Vit C seems to have no affect on my bowels even when taking both it and Mag Citrate. I was hoping it would, but no such luck. Possibly at very high doses, it might, but I'm kinda scared to try that considering the reaction I had when first starting out. I would like to take more of it, though.

I see the doctor on Friday and need to be adamant about getting to the root of my bowel issues. The only real plausible ideas I've come across in my research is methane producing SIBO, which is somewhat rare but causes recalcitrant constipation. The only other thing is simply bartonella or Lyme. I'm trying to treat them herbally, but I'm unusually sensitive and can only tolerate tiny doses. Everything else related to digestive dysfunction seems to lean toward the diarrhea or the alternating diarrhea/constipation sides.
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delisa,

I don't think I'm still reacting specifically to either of those, although I may very well be in a herx or flare still. I tend to get into long term herxes/flares.
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Notime4lyme,

I have occasional swelling, too. I get it in my feet/legs and sometimes my face and whole body feel swollen. When that happens, I feel like I'm overloaded with toxins. Interesting, you felt better after stopping magnesium. I wish I could stop it. I've got to get to the bottom of my constipation issues. I'm so tired of this.
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yancync,

I'm glad to hear those helped you. I've been on high dose quality probiotics of various brands since the IBS-C started. It's never made a lick of difference for me. I also took fiber for about 6 months after it first started, and it didn't help me either. It may have made things worse for me.

Thank you all for taking the time to respond. I appreciate all your input! Have a blessed daysmile

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POST EDIT:

Forgot to add, I didn't have any odd feelings after taking the magnesium last night. However, this morning after taking my herbs, I had a brief bout of weakness again but not as bad as the one I had that I initially posted about. I think something else is causing the weakness. It could be herxing or a symptom of coinfections or Lyme. I'm treating all 3 B's using Buhner's protocols.

I do remember that I did have bouts of weakness 2 years ago when my symptoms were really bad. I also had muscle cramps in my legs then. I think it was right after that when I started taking the Natural Calm magnesium. I also frequently get weakness in the night time if I flex my ankles in bed. I get that same feeling like all the life energy just drained out of me.

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The Dude Abides
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WalkingbyFaith said...
Dude,

Thank you immensely for the kind words of encouragement and the detailed analysis. I'm sure you're right. I can't take that high a dose long term without something else getting out of whack.

I do take powdered Vit C but only manage to get one 3 gram dose in a day. The first time I took Vit C, I had NOW brand crystals and followed the instructions on the bottle for 3 doses per day, which came to 6 grams. The first day I forgot the last dose. The 2nd day I forgot it altogether. The 3rd day I took the first 2 doses and within 30 minutes of the 3rd dose, I started itching and burning and got extremely irritable and started yelling. I thought I was allergic to something. I came across something about Vit C that gave an explanation as to what likely happened, but I can't remember what it was. I think it was in Lisa Petrison's Beginner's Guide to Mold Avoidance or on the paradigmchange.me site or Phoenix Rising forum. After that, I started only taking one dose a day. Oddly, Vit C seems to have no affect on my bowels even when taking both it and Mag Citrate. I was hoping it would, but no such luck. Possibly at very high doses, it might, but I'm kinda scared to try that considering the reaction I had when first starting out. I would like to take more of it, though.

I see the doctor on Friday and need to be adamant about getting to the root of my bowel issues. The only real plausible ideas I've come across in my research is methane producing SIBO, which is somewhat rare but causes recalcitrant constipation. The only other thing is simply bartonella or Lyme. I'm trying to treat them herbally, but I'm unusually sensitive and can only tolerate tiny doses. Everything else related to digestive dysfunction seems to lean toward the diarrhea or the alternating diarrhea/constipation sides.


You're welcome, friend. I wish I could have been there in person to chat with you, versus just typing. But, as you can see, there's a lot of people that care about you.

As for the reactions you had to Vitamin C, that's very interesting. And, of course, it's also frustrating, since we never know how any particular compound will affect us. Naturally, if you get itching, burning, irritability, and/or start yelling, that's not something you want to continue -- at least not in those doses.

One of the people I've followed, regarding Vitamin C (among other things) is Andrew W. Saul at www.DoctorYourself.com. If you have the time and interest, I suggest visiting his website, looking along the left column, and reviewing some of his articles on Vitamin C.

(NOTE: The website design leaves much to be desired, but it's manageable. There will be a few Vitamin C Protocols at the top of the left margin. However, if you scroll-down further, alphabetically, you'll find more on Vitamin C. Personally, I find it interesting.)

For oral doses of Vitamin C, my guts usually start rumbling around 10,000 mg (2,000 mg x 5 times) daily. Since I don't take Vitamin C to move my bowels, I stay below that amount. For me, about 3,000 mg daily, in divided doses, is what I consider a maintenance dose. But, for me, 6,000 mg to 8,000 mg daily doesn't trouble me. Again, we're all different.

Taking Vitamin C intravenously (I.V.), I've had 50,000 mg at once. I did this once per week for three weeks. If you haven't seen it, there were two "60 Minutes" episodes on critically-ill people who were administered very high doses of I.V. Vitamin C and report getting well.

[60 Minutes] Vitamin C: Living Proof? Part 1: /youtu.be/VrhkoFcOMII
[60 Minutes] Vitamin C: Living Proof? Part 2: /youtu.be/z7O_Wrvbqn0

The most Vitamin C I've read about people getting intravenously is 250,000 mg.

Here's another by Andrew W. Saul, PhD:

[Andrew Saul] High Dose Vitamin C Therapy for Major Diseases: /youtu.be/W5Bgdqsorg0

However, YouTube has many others by Thomas E. Levy, MD and Russell Jaffe, MD and others.

Best Wishes!

The Dude

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   Posted 4/3/2018 10:55 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith,

Regarding the DoctorYourself.com website I linked above, here's some information to consider:

www.doctoryourself.com/constipation.html

Not all items may be relevant for you (i.e. Vitamin C), but there are several good suggestions.

Also, from the DoctorYourself.com 'Home' page, you can enter 'constipation' in the Search box in the upper-right corner to search other articles on his site. One of the other pages mentions that a B-Vitamin deficiency may be playing a part, too.

The Dude
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