BVT - is this a herx?

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   Posted 4/5/2018 8:56 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello all,

This is a question for any members that have done BVT. I started this treatment a few weeks ago. I have only done it once a week 3-4 stings each time in order to build up my tolerance. The last two times I have been stung, two times in left lower leg, one time in right lower leg, and one time in lumbar region, I am fine for a few hours then the expected swelling begins in the regions stung. It's the next morning that I post this question in regards.

The last two times I have been stung the next morning I feel like I have the flu. My temperature rises, my whole body has an achy feeling to it. I have the constant urge to move my bowels. This morning is no different accept my temperature goes from 95 degrees f to 98 degrees f. It's crazy.

Is this a herx? Is my immune system finally waking up due to the bee venom attacking the bart and lyme in my body? Hopefully my body building immunity to the stings and this will not be an issue when I start receiving 15-20 stings 3 times a week.

As always, I appreciate any responses.

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   Posted 4/5/2018 1:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Oddity - I don't know about the BVT - so I'll just bump this for someone else to read and reply.
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   Posted 4/5/2018 4:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Bluelyme has done BVT sometimes he is on and hopefully he will see this post.

If not I would do a search putting "Lyme Bee Venom Therapy" or try BVT and see what older posts and members show up. You may be able to email them if their email is active.

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   Posted 4/5/2018 6:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I was thinking about pm Bluelyme, but I was hoping to get a response from some active members. I wait to hear from Bluelyme. I'm pretty sure this is a Herx. If it is, BVT is the best thing I have ever done!

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   Posted 4/5/2018 8:03 PM (GMT -6)   
There’s a group on Facebook as well. “Bee Venon Therapy for Lyme Disease” is the name. It’s got like 7,000 members. I’ve joined, just in case I ever decide to travel that avenue. Often, I see people posting about finding “bee buddies” with success.

It’s probably best you do it with someone who’s trained, but... you know, some play it by ear. You’re obviously already treating with that method, just saying for anyone else who happens to read this. Thought I’d mention.

edit: also, that definitely sounds herxy. I mean, I haven’t done BVT either, but I have definitely experienced similar symptoms after dosing other treatment options. Definitely, a third time... for good measure.

Post Edited (NotQuiteAntonio) : 4/5/2018 8:06:10 PM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 4/5/2018 11:35 PM (GMT -6)   
antonio pointed you to ellie lobels minions they may agree thats pretty normal .it was welcome to cold thyroid in the winter but also as the season warms up so does their venom...
we usually don't do full sting on extremities until a few months in as it takes the body time to recognize its no longer a threat, even then we pre ice ..nerves and capillaries make for a more painful sting as does how much inflammation is there already.

maybe keep dose and go to 2x a week for a while , apis homepathic helps , i had a few golfball size swelling but it was nice to have a different kind of pain .

bee venom is a very good blood thinner , we tend to be hypercoagulated so blood flows to brain bowel everywhere better

bee venom is the only substance to make your heart beat stronger and not faster ...

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   Posted 4/6/2018 8:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for the advice BlueLyme. Interesting about starting slow in the lower limbs. I have only been stung in my lower legs and lumbar region. Next time I will have him sting me in my arms and then take it slow from there. The swelling is subsiding after only 2.5 days this time so that is a good sign. Most of my issues are in my left leg now and that is where I am getting intense itchy swelling.
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   Posted 4/7/2018 7:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Now I want to try BVT at some point. I thought I was allergic as a kid, then I survived a nest full of wasps. Bees have different venom I guess. Bees are on my bucket list now. Hopefully it prolongs any need for a bucket list indefinitely.
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