Attempting fasting to help w/lyme- here we go!

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atxlyme
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   Posted 4/5/2018 1:26 PM (GMT -6)   
My plan:

1 day dry fasting
3+ days water fasting

So 4+ days total.

I was curious to see what effects it would have.

Will let you know how it goes.

about 15 hours in so far.

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   Posted 4/5/2018 1:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Do keep us posted.
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   Posted 4/5/2018 2:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Do you have experience fasting?

atxlyme
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   Posted 4/5/2018 2:19 PM (GMT -6)   
countingstarsx said...
Do you have experience fasting?


15 hours worth

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 4/5/2018 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
atxlyme said...
countingstarsx said...
Do you have experience fasting?


15 hours worth


That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

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   Posted 4/5/2018 2:28 PM (GMT -6)   
The dry fast might be too intense, I'd start with water to see how it affects you.

atxlyme
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   Posted 4/5/2018 8:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Update:

Started getting pretty hungry around 23 hours into food fast(21 hours into water fast).

100% good though, just hadn't really noticed a lot of hunger until then.

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 4/5/2018 8:23 PM (GMT -6)   
For what it's worth, my experience is that hunger should quiet-down around Day 3.

Have you already seen this thread?

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3991134

atxlyme
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   Posted 4/5/2018 9:19 PM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
For what it's worth, my experience is that hunger should quiet-down around Day 3.

Have you already seen this thread?

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3991134


Thanks!

Curious, do you have certain foods you like to break the fasts with? Anything you've learned you should/shouldn't do when you do break it?

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   Posted 4/5/2018 10:22 PM (GMT -6)   
atxlyme said...
The Dude Abides said...
For what it's worth, my experience is that hunger should quiet-down around Day 3.

Have you already seen this thread?

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3991134


Thanks!

Curious, do you have certain foods you like to break the fasts with? Anything you've learned you should/shouldn't do when you do break it?


Well, one thing I would AVOID is a Spicy Steak Burrito with Chili, Extra Cheese, and Ghost Peppers!

Okay, kidding aside. Some of the most knowledgeable and experienced doctors who provide medically-supervised water fasting are at the TrueNorth Health Center in Santa Rosa, CA.

While I don't have any of the clinic's literature, here's a YouTube video of a lady who does have some of their "Re-Feeding Guidelines":

/youtu.be/-7vj__-hOrY

Play the video full-screen and advance to the following times to see the respective guidelines:

0:36 - The "Standard" Re-Feeding Guidelines
1:43 - The "High Sensitivity" Re-Feeding Guidelines

Generally, short fasts are usually fine for healthy people, based on what I've read. But, I'm not a medical professional. So, since you're dealing with Lyme and possibly other issues, I would suggest informing your healthcare provider(s) that you're fasting, if you've not already done so.

As the fast progresses, the less you should do. This advice may be contradictory to your energy level, but I strongly urge you to heed it. In a perfect world, all fasts would be done in an environment of complete rest and medical supervision. At the TrueNorth Health Center, they don't even allow patients to bathe or shower, as a safety measure, lest someone faint and either drown or fall and critically/fatally injure themselves.

Take it easy, take it serious, and listen to your body's feedback.

Best of luck!

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   Posted 4/6/2018 12:21 AM (GMT -6)   
atxlyme, good for you! I was just reading about intermittent fasting, something like 6pm to 6am every day and nothing 3 hours before bed. That's about as much as I can handle but I sometimes get enhanced clarity of mind and cognitive boost from it. I did 18 hours, maybe more and felt somewhat ketogenic eating a high-fat snack like coconut oil or peanut butter teaspoon to maintain the keto state. There is an art to it, but also a science like precision cooking to know how to coax your body into autophagy. I wish I knew more about gastronomy, enzymes and organic chemistry to know what certain things actually do. Another thing I read somewhere is that cognitive levels decline while we digest food, something like taking blood from the brain to the GI tract, so I have a low IQ now lol because I just had a late night snack!
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atxlyme
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   Posted 4/6/2018 2:37 AM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...


/youtu.be/-7vj__-hOrY

Play the video full-screen and advance to the following times to see the respective guidelines:

0:36 - The "Standard" Re-Feeding Guidelines
1:43 - The "High Sensitivity" Re-Feeding Guidelines


Awesome, thanks Dude!

atxlyme
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   Posted 4/6/2018 2:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Update:

27.5 hours dry fast
29.5 fasting from food

Lot of energy at the moment - middle of the night and haven't been able to go to sleep.

Had planned to break the dry fast and start having water after 24 hours, but honestly haven't been thirsty at all yet. May be because I hydrated a lot right before the dry fast started, but not sure.

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   Posted 4/6/2018 4:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Way to go, did you feel any extra fatigue or dizzyness during the fast so far?

atxlyme
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   Posted 4/6/2018 9:10 AM (GMT -6)   
MooseSafari said...
Way to go, did you feel any extra fatigue or dizzyness during the fast so far?


no, if anything quite the opposite. more energy than normal

atxlyme
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   Posted 4/6/2018 9:14 AM (GMT -6)   
hard dry fast: ended after 31 hours (didn't need to wasn't really thirsty at all, just didn't want to push it too hard since i'd never tried it before)

have been water fasting since.

36 hours since the last time i ate.

one noticeable thing: i'm much colder than normal - have heat cranked up several degrees higher than the norm and still cold. i'd heard this was a side effect for people. not a big deal though

honestly surprised at how little the hunger urges are. like, i'm hungry, but whatever. not starving like i thought i would be. relatively easy at this point.

atxlyme
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   Posted 4/6/2018 1:44 PM (GMT -6)   
After 40.5 hours since eating, this is first time I've felt low energy/bleh.

Not big deal just figured I'd share as it goes for people debating doing something similar.

atxlyme
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   Posted 4/6/2018 5:28 PM (GMT -6)   
44.5 hours since eating. super weak/tired, and now getting very dizzy when i stand up.

all good, just documenting for others

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   Posted 4/6/2018 7:43 PM (GMT -6)   
atxlyme said...
44.5 hours since eating. super weak/tired, and now getting very dizzy when i stand up.

all good, just documenting for others


If I were you, I'd consider drinking some type of broth (vegetable, beef, chicken, etc.) that has an adequate amount of salt in it. Or, get a powdered electrolyte supplement to add to your water.

On fasting-mimicking diets, people consume around 800 calories a day. Thus, I don't believe drinking broth will derail your efforts. The calorie load from broth will be quite low.

Do you have anyone else in your household with you, during this fast? Spouse? Kids? Friends?

Post Edited (The Dude Abides) : 4/6/2018 8:12:26 PM (GMT-6)


atxlyme
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   Posted 4/6/2018 8:36 PM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
If I were you, I'd consider drinking some type of broth (vegetable, beef, chicken, etc.) that has an adequate amount of salt in it. Or, get a powdered electrolyte supplement to add to your water.

On fasting-mimicking diets, people consume around 800 calories a day. Thus, I don't believe drinking broth will derail your efforts. The calorie load from broth will be quite low.


I've got organic bone both here from pacific: 35 calories per serving w/85mg of sodium per serving. you saying i need to have a cup of that and/or something more?

The Dude Abides said...
Do you have anyone else in your household with you, during this fast?


no just me

atxlyme
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   Posted 4/6/2018 8:47 PM (GMT -6)   
also just found some 'kitchen accomplice' organic bone broth concentrate in my cupboard. 45 calories and 470mg of sodium per serving (i noticed this one has yeast extract in it which not sure if that's off limits?)

Post Edited (atxlyme) : 4/6/2018 9:07:12 PM (GMT-6)


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atxlyme said...
The Dude Abides said...
If I were you, I'd consider drinking some type of broth (vegetable, beef, chicken, etc.) that has an adequate amount of salt in it. Or, get a powdered electrolyte supplement to add to your water.

On fasting-mimicking diets, people consume around 800 calories a day. Thus, I don't believe drinking broth will derail your efforts. The calorie load from broth will be quite low.


I've got organic bone both here from pacific: 35 calories per serving w/85mg of sodium per serving. you saying i need to have a cup of that and/or something more?

The Dude Abides said...
Do you have anyone else in your household with you, during this fast?


no just me


Well, I was suggesting that you consider drinking some of that turkey broth, if the dizziness is constant and/or gets worse. I thought the broth might help increase your blood pressure and help with dizziness, but it contains little sodium per serving and no potassium or other minerals.

Is your dizziness only when initially standing? Does the dizziness subside, once you're standing for a few minutes? Or, is there still some mild dizziness that persists?

Do whatever you think is right. I just don't want you passing-out and possibly hurting yourself. I wish you had someone there to keep an eye on you. But, I live alone, too, so I understand how that goes.

atxlyme
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   Posted 4/6/2018 10:04 PM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
it contains little sodium per serving and no potassium or other minerals.


Does the 2nd one I posted work, or not because of the yeast extract and maltodextrin?

The Dude Abides said...
Is your dizziness only when initially standing? Does the dizziness subside, once you're standing for a few minutes? Or, is there still some mild dizziness that persists?


Mainly when standing, but very, very strong dizziness.

Maybe slightly if still standing but not super noticeable- thought i have been mainly staying sitting/laying down

Post Edited (atxlyme) : 4/6/2018 10:18:08 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 4/6/2018 10:50 PM (GMT -6)   
atxlyme said...
The Dude Abides said...
it contains little sodium per serving and no potassium or other minerals.


Does the 2nd one I posted work, or not because of the yeast extract?

The Dude Abides said...
Is your dizziness only when initially standing? Does the dizziness subside, once you're standing for a few minutes? Or, is there still some mild dizziness that persists?


Mainly when standing, but very, very strong dizziness.

Maybe slightly if still standing but not super noticeable- thought i have been mainly staying sitting/laying down


Between the two, I think the Kitchen Accomplice Bone Broth Concentrate looks better. In addition to the 470 mg of sodium per serving, it also has 340 mg of potassium. I can't think of any reason to be concerned about the yeast extract.

I'm glad to hear you're mainly sitting or lying down. Rest is good.

atxlyme
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   Posted 4/6/2018 10:59 PM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
Between the two, I think the Kitchen Accomplice Bone Broth Concentrate looks better. In addition to the 470 mg of sodium per serving, it also has 340 mg of potassium. I can't think of any reason to be concerned about the yeast extract.


How about the malodextrin in it?

I read that autophagy can be stopped at over 50 calories consumed, do I need to make sure to space them out?
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