Babesia or Bartonella causing heart problems?

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Thejasp
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   Posted 4/10/2018 5:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Ive been diagnosed with lyme, bart, babs, erlichia and mycoplasma.

Does anyone else here have heart issues that feels sort of like your heart is out of breath, like its having to work like your on a jog even though youre resting.
I dont meen higher pulse, just harder and very noticable odd/wrong feeling beats.
(Ive had four different doctors take ekg and check for heart problems, everything comes back normal so im guessing this is lyme or co-infection related.)

And have you managed to pinpoint what is causing it? I get this feeling every now and then and i would very much like to be able to target the specific cause of it, its getting annoying and scary.

Thanks everyone, keep fighting
Thejasp

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   Posted 4/10/2018 6:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't had that happen...but I've had a few 'flutters' or palpitations in the area of my heart...but not sure if it was a muscle fasciculation instead...
Also have experienced some low level pain in the heart area ....


It could be Babesia or Bart that's causing it

What are you currently treating with?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 4/10/2018 9:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Thejasp said...
Ive been diagnosed with lyme, bart, babs, erlichia and mycoplasma.

Does anyone else here have heart issues that feels sort of like your heart is out of breath, like its having to work like your on a jog even though youre resting.
I dont meen higher pulse, just harder and very noticable odd/wrong feeling beats.
(Ive had four different doctors take ekg and check for heart problems, everything comes back normal so im guessing this is lyme or co-infection related.)

And have you managed to pinpoint what is causing it? I get this feeling every now and then and i would very much like to be able to target the specific cause of it, its getting annoying and scary.

Thanks everyone, keep fighting
Thejasp


Oh, yeah. Cardiac stuff was one of my worst symptoms in the beginning and came and went in bouts for years. I have mitral valve regurge. That is listed as one of the many cardiovascular symptoms of bartonella in Buhner's bartonella book. In the beginning, I woke up one night feeling like I wasn't breathing. Got up and went to the bathroom. Then my heart started beating so hard, it felt like it would beat out of my chest. Went back to bed and I could see my heart beating, it was so hard. Later on as the days and weeks went by, my heart would speed up if I moved in bed; pulse was in the 120's constantly for weeks on end; would suddenly feel tired like I needed to lie down and my heart would feel funny, and I would put my fingers on my neck and I could feel it skipping; heart would feel like it was beating out of sync.

Echocardiogram showed regurge and nothing else. Was told that regurge or prolapse can sometimes cause the skipping feelings.

Either babesia or bartonella or both cause autonomic dysfunction, which I also had a lot of. I really don't know for certain which caused that for me. I never tested positive for either. I do have clear signs and symptoms of bartonella though. The symptoms I've had that typically seem to be babesia could also be bartonella according to some sources I've read, so it's really hard for me to know. I'm using herbs to treat all of it. Maybe one day, if I'm ever able to travel, I'll go see someone who looks at blood smears under a microscope.

Girlie
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   Posted 4/10/2018 11:39 PM (GMT -6)   
You should discuss your symptoms with your Dr. and maybe some tests should be done - to put your mind at ease.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

OriolCarol
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   Posted 4/11/2018 5:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Thejasp, you said that you have been diagnosed with lyme. It can cause a lot of heart problems and heart problems are mor common with lyme. I've had a lot of ectopic beats, arrythmias, pain etc... all have dissapeared at 90% with ceftriaxone and minocycline.

everseeking
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   Posted 4/11/2018 8:15 AM (GMT -6)   
I've only been diagnosed with Lyme but that was also all that was tested for. I've had something similar with my heart. I always described it as feeling like butterflies in my heart. I had an ekg and then a 24 hour heart holter and nothing showed up. confused (I hate this disease.) After searching here I tried wormwood and my heart did drastically better. After a couple of months I forgot what I was taking the wormwood for rolleyes and stopped it when I started a more rounded parasite cleanse, but one that doesn't include wormwood. My heart immediately started acting up again so I got back on it and am feeling better again. I still have minor heart funniness but nothing too scary when I'm on the wormwood. Since wormwood is often used to treat babesia and I have several symptoms that line up with that I'm planning to start CSA in a couple of months to see if that helps things more. The wormwood helps that specific symptom but I'm just not sure if it's enough to beat what's causing the symptoms. It may be, over time, but I'm just not confident in that...

This is the wormwood that I've been using. I take one pill twice a day. /www.amazon.com/Nutricology-51160-Artemisia-Vegicaps-100-Count/dp/B000N93QKY/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1523452007&sr=8-1&keywords=artemesia+nutricology

Aerose91
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   Posted 4/11/2018 11:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Im not sure about babesia but i know bartonella has an affinity for your heart. Dr M, the bart guy, always checks my heart when im there. He has mentioned that lyme can effect it, too. I have some structural damage to my heart from the illness- reduced left wall function. Yours sounds more functional to me, but if you're concerned a good LLMD will know what to look for. An EKG and ultrasound is what found mine

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 4/11/2018 5:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I forgot to mention in Buhner's book on bartonella, there is almost a full page under the cardiovascular symptoms of bartonella. I showed that page to my cardiologist the other day, and he said those things would show up on an echocardiogram, which I get annually due to the mitral valve regurge.

The way you described it, it sounds a lot like what I had in the beginning, which seems to be related to autonomic dysfunction.

Girlie
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   Posted 4/11/2018 6:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Here's a list of Babs symptoms:

/suzycohen.com/articles/lyme_babesia_treatment/
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Thejasp
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   Posted 4/12/2018 3:46 AM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
I forgot to mention in Buhner's book on bartonella, there is almost a full page under the cardiovascular symptoms of bartonella. I showed that page to my cardiologist the other day, and he said those things would show up on an echocardiogram, which I get annually due to the mitral valve regurge.

The way you described it, it sounds a lot like what I had in the beginning, which seems to be related to autonomic dysfunction.


Thanks alor for all your input, seems to me like its probably Bart, will start to treat it with herbs in the upcoming weeks.
I live in Scandinavia so herbs are not easy to come by, hopefully my newfound supplier will pull through.

I think one of the reasons nothing show up for me is that i am still quite young at 25, i was also an elite level athlete before my Lyme so my body is still relatively physically strong.

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   Posted 4/12/2018 9:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Thejasp said...

I think one of the reasons nothing show up for me is that i am still quite young at 25, i was also an elite level athlete before my Lyme so my body is still relatively physically strong.


When you say "nothing showed up for me", do you mean nothing showed up about the heart symptoms?

Many of the Lyme related symptoms do not show up on medical testing. I was in full blown cardiac symptoms and could feel my heart "skipping," but my EKG was normal and the mitral valve regurge was something I'd had for years and was unrelated to those symptoms. It's possible autonomic nerve function testing might show some abnormalities, especially if experiencing POTS symptoms, but they may still be normal. I had autonomic tests done 2 years later when I wasn't having those particular symptoms and results were normal.

Having tests come back normal when you clearly have symptoms has nothing to do with age or prior physical fitness. It has to do with the nature of Lyme and coinfections. I don't know how to explain it scientifically, though. Sorry.
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