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countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/11/2018 7:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Do any of you get regular adjustments? I hadnt had one since before I got sick but after getting an internship in a chiropractors office I thought I would give it a try again.

I've had two adjustments now, and after both I just feel wretched. Is it common to flare from an adjustment? My chiropractor doesnt know anything about lyme so I dont think he would be much help with this question.

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   Posted 4/11/2018 9:06 AM (GMT -6)   
last year, i had weekly chiropractor adjustments (for two months) to alleviate lower back issues i have, i have problems with L4 and L5. this was in the middle of a two year stretch of lyme misdiagnosis.

my back went out again this past january after i started lyme treatment. i went to the chiropractor, twice i think. this time my lower back improved faster.

i dont think i had any adverse reaction or flare from the adjustments. tho last year it took a long time for my back to improve, whereas this year it improved faster. but who knows, maybe it simply wasnt as bad as last year.

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   Posted 4/11/2018 9:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I won’t go to the “regular” chiropractors for adjustments but I see an Upper Cervical chiro who does adjustments to the Atlas only - it’s gentle and no forceful movements/twisting of my neck...
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   Posted 4/11/2018 12:37 PM (GMT -6)   
I always felt bad after chiropractic adjustments, but I couldn't tell if it was just the long drive. I don't get them any more, because I'm afraid of damage to my spinal cord. Now I'm going to a chiropractor for laser treatments, and he says I need adjustments, and I just don't want to risk it. I guess I never saw any actual improvement from being adjusted, so I just don't bother.

The first few vertebrae in my spine do feel funny though. Are those your upper cervical bones? Also my knee is funny, so maybe they could help with that.

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   Posted 4/11/2018 12:51 PM (GMT -6)   
The upper cervical is at the base of the head/top of your neck.

If the atlas is out - it can put the rest of your spine out of alignment
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countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/12/2018 9:15 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm also scared of damage being done, but more to my vasculature/arteries.

My last appointment left my head numb for a few hours, and me stuck on the couch in pain all night. I am supposed to get adjusted again today, but I really don't want to risk another night of so much pain.

10LymeB
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   Posted 4/12/2018 9:40 AM (GMT -6)   
I saw a chiropractor for years and am still not better. I went every week, I did the exercises. True, Lyme has caused damage and inflammation, but to not feel better after 3 years? No. I then started worrying about damage to my tendons, nerves, or arteries and got paranoid about chiropractic stroke. Don't look it up if you're easily scared.

My plan is to continue to doing light yoga (for now) and when I have my strength back get back into pilates - which is great for building the muscles that retain your bone strength and keep your posture in order.

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   Posted 4/12/2018 10:51 AM (GMT -6)   
countingstarsx said...
I'm also scared of damage being done, but more to my vasculature/arteries.

My last appointment left my head numb for a few hours, and me stuck on the couch in pain all night. I am supposed to get adjusted again today, but I really don't want to risk another night of so much pain.


that;s exactly why I stay away from the regular chiropractors.

There have been deaths (although rare) from Artery damage.

That won't happen with the UC chiro

Having a numb head after can't be good!
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Girlie
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   Posted 4/12/2018 10:52 AM (GMT -6)   
10LymeB said...
I saw a chiropractor for years and am still not better. I went every week, I did the exercises. True, Lyme has caused damage and inflammation, but to not feel better after 3 years? No. I then started worrying about damage to my tendons, nerves, or arteries and got paranoid about chiropractic stroke. Don't look it up if you're easily scared.

My plan is to continue to doing light yoga (for now) and when I have my strength back get back into pilates - which is great for building the muscles that retain your bone strength and keep your posture in order.


You were thinking just chiropractic adjustments would treat your lyme disease?

I've not used it for that...but to keep my spine in balance.
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countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/12/2018 1:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
countingstarsx said...
I'm also scared of damage being done, but more to my vasculature/arteries.

My last appointment left my head numb for a few hours, and me stuck on the couch in pain all night. I am supposed to get adjusted again today, but I really don't want to risk another night of so much pain.


that;s exactly why I stay away from the regular chiropractors.

There have been deaths (although rare) from Artery damage.

That won't happen with the UC chiro

Having a numb head after can't be good!



I agree, the numb head really worried me. How does a UC chiro differ in neck adjustments? From what I was just reading it seems to carry the same risks.

countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/12/2018 1:27 PM (GMT -6)   
I just watched some videos of a UC adjustment, its hard to believe that something like that even makes a difference!

We went to our appointment today and both my daughter and I were adjusted. I feel uncomfortable continuing. He wants to see us again next week, and I think I would rather not. Unfortunately I work for him as an office intern and I don't know how to not make an appointment when I see him so frequently.

Girlie
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   Posted 4/12/2018 1:39 PM (GMT -6)   
countingstarsx said...
Girlie said...
countingstarsx said...
I'm also scared of damage being done, but more to my vasculature/arteries.

My last appointment left my head numb for a few hours, and me stuck on the couch in pain all night. I am supposed to get adjusted again today, but I really don't want to risk another night of so much pain.


that;s exactly why I stay away from the regular chiropractors.

There have been deaths (although rare) from Artery damage.

That won't happen with the UC chiro

Having a numb head after can't be good!



I agree, the numb head really worried me. How does a UC chiro differ in neck adjustments? From what I was just reading it seems to carry the same risks.



The Upper cervical chiropractic adjustments do not involve crunching, popping, twisting of the neck or back.

When I was younger (about 10) in gymnastics - I launched over a box horse (can’t remember what the apparatus is called now) and my hands slipped while I was upside down and my head smashed into it.
My mom took me to a chiro (traditional one) and he grabbed my head (I was laying on my back) and gave it
a quick forceful twist to the right. I heard it crunch and it hurt like heck.
It just didn’t feel right. I never went back to s chiro until I heard about the one I see now.

It’s gentle and doesn’t hurt.

Just pressure behind me ear.

From my chiro website

“To receive the adjustment, the patient is placed on their side with their skull precisely balanced on the headpiece of the table. The doctor then contacts the topmost vertebra (the Atlas or C1) with the heel of their hand, aligns their body to the adjustment vector, and delivers a controlled, light and shallow downwards pressure. There is no twisting or cracking of the neck.”
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Post Edited (Girlie) : 4/12/2018 1:47:21 PM (GMT-6)


xfmlg
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   Posted 4/15/2018 12:12 AM (GMT -6)   
I have been thinking of going to a chiropractor these days. It is now 4 years of limping with a bad knee and 2 years with a cane. It was really bad about 6 months ago but i am slowly making headway. I am thinking that for these last few years my back has been out of kilter because i am always making my left side of my body work harder since my right knee is bad. I wonder if some realligning would help me heal faster. Lately (2 weeks) i have started taking 2 tablespoons of MSM a day and i feel that there is improvement where my knee is a bit more flexible to move around. At this pace of healing, it will take at least till next christmas which is too slow for me. Maybe i need that chiropractic allignmnet. My knee clicks enough as it is. Just a thought. I phoned a couple of chiros in the area and have not found one yet who knows about lyme. Will continue looking. Any thoughts, people? xfmlg

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   Posted 4/15/2018 12:37 AM (GMT -6)   
xfmlg said...
I have been thinking of going to a chiropractor these days. It is now 4 years of limping with a bad knee and 2 years with a cane. It was really bad about 6 months ago but i am slowly making headway. I am thinking that for these last few years my back has been out of kilter because i am always making my left side of my body work harder since my right knee is bad. I wonder if some realligning would help me heal faster. Lately (2 weeks) i have started taking 2 tablespoons of MSM a day and i feel that there is improvement where my knee is a bit more flexible to move around. At this pace of healing, it will take at least till next christmas which is too slow for me. Maybe i need that chiropractic allignmnet. My knee clicks enough as it is. Just a thought. I phoned a couple of chiros in the area and have not found one yet who knows about lyme. Will continue looking. Any thoughts, people? xfmlg


I don't think you need a Lyme literate chiropractor...but I recommend the upper cervical Chiro.
No matter what the cause of your misalignment ...the fix will be the same.

I don't discuss Lyme with mine.
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The Dude Abides
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   Posted 4/15/2018 12:41 AM (GMT -6)   
xfmlg said...
I have been thinking of going to a chiropractor these days. It is now 4 years of limping with a bad knee and 2 years with a cane. It was really bad about 6 months ago but i am slowly making headway. I am thinking that for these last few years my back has been out of kilter because i am always making my left side of my body work harder since my right knee is bad. I wonder if some realligning would help me heal faster. Lately (2 weeks) i have started taking 2 tablespoons of MSM a day and i feel that there is improvement where my knee is a bit more flexible to move around. At this pace of healing, it will take at least till next christmas which is too slow for me. Maybe i need that chiropractic allignmnet. My knee clicks enough as it is. Just a thought. I phoned a couple of chiros in the area and have not found one yet who knows about lyme. Will continue looking. Any thoughts, people? xfmlg


Hello, xfmlg:

I've heard of some amazing success stories of problematic knees being treated by Prolozone Therapy.

/www.antiagingmedicine.com/treatments/prolozone-therapy
journalofprolotherapy.com/prolozone-regenerating-joints-and-eliminating-pain

My suggestion is for you to research it a bit. Then, if it seems worth pursuing, do a Google search for Prolozone Therapy providers in your area.

Here is a list of Ozone Therapy doctors - including in various Canadian provinces.

www.oxygenhealingtherapies.com/my_ozone_doctor.com.html

Perhaps they might also offer Prolozone Therapy.

I wish you luck, good sir.

xfmlg
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   Posted 4/15/2018 12:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Dude :

Ozone into my knee is done to me every 2 weeks. He puts the ozone into the knee and then he extracts fluid. Its like an oil well. A bit of additional pressure from the ozone forces out fluid. Two months ago he was extracting up to 80 cc of fluid from knee every 2 weeks. A week ago he extracted 34 cc and movement of my knee is improving with a bit less pain. Thats the headway i am making.

Girlie : Thanks for your kind words. i am starting to agree with you. I am now going to go visit my regular doctor within the health system and see if she will give me a referral to a chiro so that i do not have to pay out of pocket. Any lessening of that financial bill also helps as i have been writing.

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   Posted 4/15/2018 1:16 AM (GMT -6)   
xfmlg said...
Dude :
Ozone into my knee is done to me every 2 weeks. He puts the ozone into the knee and then he extracts fluid. Its like an oil well. A bit of additional pressure from the ozone forces out fluid. Two months ago he was extracting up to 80 cc of fluid from knee every 2 weeks. A week ago he extracted 34 cc and movement of my knee is improving with a bit less pain. Thats the headway i am making.


I'm glad you're making progress with your knee. That's good news.

Originally, I posted about Ozone Therapy. Then, realizing my mistake, I deleted my original post and replaced it with the Prolozone Therapy information. From what I read, Prolozone Therapy involves more than just Ozone.

A Naturopath in Texas told me how Prolozone Therapy PERMANENTLY HEALED his badly-battered knees (from parachute jumps in the military, martial arts, etc.) after only a few treatments for each knee.

Wishing you continued healing!

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   Posted 4/15/2018 2:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Xfmlg - what started the issue with your knee? Sorry I can't remember. I'm just wondering if you have a discrepancy in length between your right and left. This can throw your back out.



/www.uppercervicalcare.com/canada/surrey/upper-cervical-technique/philip-kanwischer-dc
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   Posted 4/15/2018 1:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I went to my regular Chiropractor for since I thought I might have axis subluxation. He stated I had a mild one but I would still need 12 weeks of therapy. He was certain this was the cause of all my Symptoms.

This was before I was diagnosed with Lyme and symptoms can be similar to Lyme.

Shocked but skeptical the first week my symptoms did clam down but a week later they all came back.

So I borrowed the X-rays and took then to one the top Neck Specialist in Chicago. Stated my neck looked fine and whatever I had going on was not being caused by my alignment.

I've had good luck with lower back adjustments in the past.

However for Lyme, to me a massage, is money much better spent.

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   Posted 4/15/2018 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Mark FW said...
I went to my regular Chiropractor for since I thought I might have axis subluxation. He stated I had a mild one but I would still need 12 weeks of therapy. He was certain this was the cause of all my Symptoms.

This was before I was diagnosed with Lyme and symptoms can be similar to Lyme.

Shocked but skeptical the first week my symptoms did clam down but a week later they all came back.

So I borrowed the X-rays and took then to one the top Neck Specialist in Chicago. Stated my neck looked fine and whatever I had going on was not being caused by my alignment.

I've had good luck with lower back adjustments in the past.

However for Lyme, to me a massage, is money much better spent.



Just to be clear - the chiro adjustments I get have nothing to do with lyme treatment. I've been going to this chiro for over 20 years now.
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Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 4/15/2018 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Even with "regular" chiropractic, the styles can vary greatly from Dr to Dr.

Some are less aggressive and do some muscle release before cracking- good to do. I had many chiro adjustments from 07 to '14, as my body was twisted.

I wish I new / did muscle release back then though. Its tight muscles that pull joints out of position to begin with- but they (chiros) dont tell you that.....unless they do other therapies as well that are more muscle related.

Had a couple single chiro visits with quacks that put fear of disease and god into their practice ("holy crackers").. They hone in on the weak minded.

Chiro will NOT heal disease, it just re-aligns your joints.

There are great chiros, and the opposite too.

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   Posted 4/16/2018 3:17 PM (GMT -6)   
I think there is merit in the realignment of joints causing freeing up of nerves which can help signaling. That seems plausible that it would help in disease processes. That isn't to say I think that an adjustment will heal lyme, or any other disease.

I've seen many a chiropractor from '08-now, and I did appreciate those who recommended exercises, stretches and massages to help keep your bones aligned.

I am really interested in Katy Bowman's body alignment work, and I don't think that chiropractic is the answer. I think that we need to work on keeping our bodies moving, and from getting stuck out of alignment in the first place.

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   Posted 4/16/2018 11:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Girlie: My right knee and right elbow problems started within a month of finishing lyme antibiotic treatments after the lyme diagnosis. I think in a strange way this was lyme mounting a counterattack against me. At its height, a rhumatologist said i should go get an elbow replacement immediately if not sooner. A surgeon who fixed my shoulder from a break several years earlier said i should get in line for a knee replacement. Naturopath said both are healable. My elbow has returned to normal 2 years ago and is just fine. The knee has refused to cooperate and in the meantime feet have been taken over by candida which is now being beaten back too. Knee is now better than it was a year ago. Last 2 weeks there has been a change in flexibility of the joint and the pain is a bit less. I have been monitoring knee swelling with a tape measure and it is significantly down from last Christmas. I take supplements as advised but lately i added 2 tablespoons of MSM and that has speeded up the healing process or so i think. Changes are slow sometimes to a point i think things are in my imagination. In the meantime i had a weird first time experience 2 nights ago. After a night time pee break, i could not fall asleep for a bit and my feelings went crazy. I think i had a panic attack although there was no reason for it. I was weeping and i was in a very bad emotional state. It took a lot of mental effort to stop my night sobbing and in the morning it all just felt so weird. Will discuss this episode with my naturopath next Monday. Maybe this is a side effect of the MSM or some weird herx. xfmlg
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1962 1965 Bells palsy twice
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knee, elbow destroyed by bad herx 4 y ago. Elbow healed. Knee is not.

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   Posted 4/16/2018 11:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Also legs are the same lengths.
Male, 74. European Lyme at birth. Wife also has lyme.
Born with lyme
1960 relapsing fever w temp to 107 3 wks intens care
1962 1965 Bells palsy twice
1981 lyme heart arythmia 3 wks intens care
2006 tick bite w bulls eye rash dismissed by reg doc
2013 09 first visit w/llnp
2014 01 lyme confirmed by igenix & llnp
CD57 @ 48
knee, elbow destroyed by bad herx 4 y ago. Elbow healed. Knee is not.

astroman
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   Posted 4/17/2018 9:35 AM (GMT -6)   
xfmlg- first slow down,

Take what orthos , Chiros , ect say with a grain of salt. Do not assume you need new joints without trying everything else. Learn as much as possible about your body structure.

1)Have you read any of my muscle and tendon posts? I used to write many.

2) Have you read my cissus post?

I might have had the most structurally beat up body on this forum. And I've fixed a lot of it. This came about from my individual desire to learn it, when Drs failed me. My wrecked body is the result of lyme with and very demanding combination endurance/impact sport.

I can tell you that many specialty clinicians for body mechanics have it wrong. Not so different than the GP approach to lyme.

Just like other Drs, few of them know the whole thing or pay attention to how it ties together.

To sum up joints, not all joint problems originated in the joint. A joint is the meeting place of more than one tendon and muscle pulling on it.

When my muscles and tendons were all tight, my joints and spine were all messed up from the tug of war. No longer the case.

Post Edited (astroman) : 4/17/2018 11:26:55 AM (GMT-6)

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