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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 4/13/2018 7:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Anybody use this?

Buhner recommends for mycoplasma.

Metatrol by American Biosciences is gluten free but not non-GMO. In fact, on their website they call the belief that any American wheat is genetically modified a "myth". I definitely don't trust that statement and just the name of the company makes me think they are similar to Monsanto.

Anyway, I do have myco and am getting weaker all the time. Any suggestions?

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   Posted 4/13/2018 8:03 PM (GMT -6)   
See Chapter 20 of the free e-book in the following article:

/ggenereux.blog/2016/04/22/ending-the-mystery-of-auto-immune

I believe there's a lot of truth to the Oscar Wilde quote: "Everything popular is wrong."

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   Posted 4/13/2018 9:49 PM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
See Chapter 20 of the free e-book in the following article:

/ggenereux.blog/2016/04/22/ending-the-mystery-of-auto-immune

I believe there's a lot of truth to the Oscar Wilde quote: "Everything popular is wrong."


Sorry, but I don't understand the point of that article. What is his point, BTW?

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   Posted 4/13/2018 9:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Not the article...the e-book that's linked in the article.

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   Posted 4/13/2018 10:34 PM (GMT -6)   
A myth? ***!......., no its not. (Did I read your post correctly?)

GM grains wont die from Round-Up sprayed on it because it has been modified to withstand the poison. Modified Genetically that is.

Its no longer the same as it once was. It time, cross pollination will change all of it in North America.

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   Posted 4/13/2018 10:48 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
A myth? ***!......., no its not. (Did I read your post correctly?)

GM grains wont die from Round-Up sprayed on it because it has been modified to withstand the poison. Modified Genetically that is.

Its no longer the same as it once was. It time, cross pollination will change all of it in North America.


Yep. You read my post correctly. Here's their article on the 5 Myths about Wheat: www.metatrol.com/blog/fermented-wheat-germ-extract-benefits/5-myths-about-wheat/. Since they seem to be the sole proprietors of fermented wheat germ products on the market, I would be leery of using their products in light of their statements about wheat. I haven't done extensive research on GMO's or wheat, but I certainly don't believe those are myths.

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   Posted 4/13/2018 11:04 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
I haven't done extensive research on GMO's or wheat...


If you're genuinely interested in a perspective that's counter to that in popular media, here's one of many:

/thoughtscapism.com/gmos

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   Posted 4/13/2018 11:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Monsanto sells the grain seed that can withstand the Round-Up. They changed it in a lab to survive this.

Call it what you want, but it is no longer the same. They are playing word games.

I was once contacted for a lab career Monsanto. I had zero interest. Funny, Bayer owns them, they are now a herbicide chemical and seed company, cant get rich off just $3 aspirin anymore.
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   Posted 4/13/2018 11:12 PM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
WalkingbyFaith said...
I haven't done extensive research on GMO's or wheat...


If you're genuinely interested in a perspective that's counter to that in popular media, here's one of many:

/thoughtscapism.com/gmos


I don't judge whether something is good or "safe" based on what the government or scientific research propagates. I am not a fan of genetic modification in plants or animals. My aversion is not due to being influenced by popular opinion.

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   Posted 4/13/2018 11:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Lyme disease does not exist either. And the earth is flat.

There are plenty of studies stating the harms of GMO's too. We know this. Europe knows this. Many writers are paid off, since that pays way more than freelance.
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   Posted 4/13/2018 11:44 PM (GMT -6)   
My point was to give a counter to the popular opinions of people like William Davis, Josh Axe, Peter Osborne, and the others who sell products based on the wheat/gluten hysteria. I know people that wouldn't trust a scientist's stance on, say, GMOs, but would listen to Joe Mercola. LOL...

Of course, for anyone who is truly allergic to something, they should avoid it. But, avoiding things when there's no good reason -- be it wheat/gluten, carbs, nightshades, goitrogens, lectins, FODMAPs, etc. -- just makes some people more neurotic than they already are, when it comes to food/diet.

I'm speaking from experience, coming from a background in serial dieting, food restriction, and disordered eating. I frequently see people appear here and start asking about diet and they're frequently told to restrict this, restrict that, but based on what?

I just hate to see people go down the same path I traveled. Several years on, I'm not completely free of what I went through, especially mentally.

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   Posted 4/13/2018 11:46 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
And the earth is flat.


So, Thomas Dolby was right!

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   Posted 4/14/2018 10:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Diet with GMO, vs NON-GMO: this would be difficult to note effects within us, as gluten overcomes both in some people. There are many man made chemicals, substances already in us from the modern world we live in.

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GMO's in general:
I see your point. But we also need to take in consideration that many articles are biased. What? no way! Yes way.

The whole picture is seldom covered on any written health or science "debate". The Science is often found on both sides, if one digs a little more on the other side. Food, health, global warming -proof does not come in black and white, as the definition varies per opinion.

Example: Science based evidence has suggested that chronic lyme does not exist. Lesser respected studies say the opposite. Where does science make the cutoff of what is a legitimate study or not?

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Diet in general:
As far as diet goes, offending foods are different for everyone based on their illness, possible autoimmune conditions, gut health, proof shows in patient symptoms and outcome. If this were not true, positive health outcomes which people have would not happen.

Not everyone needs to avoid everything thats noted as "offensive" by the popular online functional Drs., but experimenting is free and might open ones eyes.

Its best to use suggested diet restrictions for a starting point of an elimination diet. Then add back in. Repeat if needed, make notes.

As someone who has spent years in a variety of science and R and D fields, when conducting my own personal "heath experiments" I like proof in both ways; I look for symptom outcomes combined with lab results. Paper combined with real world.

I have personally proven that restricting certain foods have had a positive outcome in both my health symptoms and on science based lab testing. The benefits were not night and day, and not immediate, but enough to improve my health a little more.

Not everyone does this, nor will they have the same results. I am not nearly as restricted as some people and some food groups like night shades I see no difference in other than the resultant sugar from potatoes.

We see on this forum that some people have major gut issues while others, surprisingly have none. This is interesting.

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   Posted 4/14/2018 3:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Nice discussion. I have/do/and probably still will eat foods that have been genetically modified. My issue in this case is some big, red flags telling me this company is not worth my trust and their outrageously expensive and, apparently, exclusive products may be more or less than what they want me to know. My instincts are saying leave it with Amazon. I don't know if the product would "hurt me," but I have suspicions the company might. Just my opinion.
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