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looking4acure
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   Posted 4/18/2018 8:18 AM (GMT -6)   
I posted awhile back about testing positive for lyme after getting really sick at a massage parlor. Many people tried to associate stress and all these things as a trigger.... I swore it was the substance and now I found out that it was in fact just that.

After months of research and still feeling terrible I stumbled upon the protein responsible for "chronic lyme" and its the ospA protein also known as PAM3CSK its an endotoxin.

You can read about it as it derails the immune system and it also "mimics the acylated amino terminus of bacterial LPs. Pam3CSK4 is a potent activator of the proinflammatory transcription factor NF-κB. Activation is mediated by the interaction between TLR2 and TLR1 which recognize LPs with three fatty acids, a structural characteristic of bacterial LPs."

This crap is literally sold online for research purposes and not intended for human use. Im convinced that this is what was put on me and others that get these illnesses from massage parlors, prostititues, and other people involved in with criminal organizations. IT exerts a strong local reaction (hence the pain in my genitals within 24 hours) and is responsible for the disease. Literally got chronic overnight almost. I took all the basic abx for suspected std within a few days of this all happening and it didn't stop anything from progressing.

It is synthetic and the sites like lymecryme believe it renders things like herbs and antibiotics useless which is why we don't get better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umwk_sTJmWk

The guy in this video kinda reinforces this idea about how they were able to extract the disease causing part from the pathogen to basically make it invisible to tests. And use it to infect people (very very potent). All of these things line up with my story.

There is very little information out there about this protein im not sure how it works and if it reproduces in the body or what. IF it can be broken down or gotten rid of. I am a few days out from treating with my LLMD and starting herbs and abs but im so skeptical now that there may in fact be no way out of this.

Im young and completely lost in life and suffering. All this information, mistrust, and abandonment has left me in question of everything. I could really use any opinions or help right now. I have found many through the internet that were infected the same way and they all say that the lady used a sketchy gel substance just like me. AT this point we know what happened but can it be treated?

countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/18/2018 8:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Why would they put that in the lotion at a massage parlor?

looking4acure
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   Posted 4/18/2018 10:02 AM (GMT -6)   
malice, who knows, they target people but thats not the point. Is there any hope? has anyone tested positive for the band associated with ospA and shown improvements with protocols?

Thank you for your time.

countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/18/2018 1:20 PM (GMT -6)   
It just seems like you're really reaching here. The best explanation is often the most simple and obvious one. It just doesn't make sense that a massage parlor that wants to bring in money would be making their clientele sick intentionally in such a way.

looking4acure
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   Posted 4/18/2018 3:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Please don’t reply if your just going to bash what I’m saying. Do some research on pam3csk or ospA...you may be surprised. Both chronic Lyme and brucella have both been weaponized because once upon a time they wanted to potentially use them to disable large groups militaries etc.... so they can be used exactly that way. And if you look around long enoUgh you’ll find plenty of pepole out there in the same boat as me. That ended up here after a sketchy encounter.

It forces people into a long road of health care to get thrown into categories like MS AND FIBRO and keep coming back. I developed symptoms of chronic Lyme within 24 hours. Healthy to chronically ill with over 15 symptoms overnight.

There are bad people in this world and things that are much bigger than me and you that go on. Dark crap but have fun in a fairy tale where you can only get lyme from a tick. Educate yourself it was studied as a BIOWEAPON. The ticks were just responsible for the outbreak.

What your not realizing is just because they make money they can’t do something bad. Prositutes are some of the biggest criminals out there. It’s also a way to legitimize illegal money that comes from many other avenues. The girls are slaves living in this place and they also have outward symptoms of neuro Lyme. Just being used as a tool to infect others.

They target certain people. And they end up all over the Internet with similar stories not here because to you it doesn’t make sense. The ladies ask for money and if they don’t get what they want boom they **** you up. AS I SAID BEFORE THATS NOT THE POINT WHATS DONE IS DONE.

I want to know if anyone tested positive for the band associated with ospA and if they made progress through treatment?

countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/18/2018 3:09 PM (GMT -6)   
I would appreciate you not being so rude towards me. No, I do not live in a fairy tale where you only get lyme from a tick. Personally, I have no recollection of a tick bite or a bulls eye rash. That said, conspiracy theories are not the only logical conclusions here. I am a well educated person, please stop insinuating that I am not.

Having known **********s, I don't think its very accurate to state that **********s are some of the biggest criminals out there. Many are just people like you and I that are out there making a living. So, what you are saying you are sure of still does not make sense to me.

As for your question -- what band is associated with ospA? Many people with many different bands have gotten better.

Glascis
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   Posted 4/18/2018 10:15 PM (GMT -6)   
You know what? I've seen some Lyme sufferers make rather paranoid claims and I feel great sympathy for them - it's likely neuro Lyme symptoms.

What I absolutely can't understand or accept is you coming here and... forget being rude to another member, displaying a horrifying lack of humanity:

"Prositutes are some of the biggest criminals out there. It’s also a way to legitimize illegal money that comes from many other avenues. The girls are slaves living in this place and they also have outward symptoms of neuro Lyme. Just being used as a tool to infect others"

Sounds like you took advantage of a human being who you recognized was trafficked and a "slave"

Also sounds like after doing such a inhumane, heinous thing, you'd also like to blame her for your tick borne illness. What's that? You hate the people whose orifices you use callously?



I suppose you'd like us to recognize your humanity and show empathy when you can't recognize another person's.

looking4acure
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   Posted 4/19/2018 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Its not a paranoid claim it happens all over the US. I got chronic lyme overnight the way people did from the vaccine. If you think its strictly from ticks i'm sorry to hear that.

Lyme and brucellosis have both been weaponized. They were both studied as bio weapons. There are evil people in this world. There are many people out there just like me with the same exact story and you still try to say its a paranoid claim because you don't believe you can get lyme this way. Its funny because it I listened to my CDC infectious disease doc I would have never known I had lyme because they said the same thing. No bullseye rash tick bla bla bla then I get a full blown positive result with IGX.

The reason great strides aren't always made is because people are not open to thinking you can get this any way besides a tick. And that 3 weeks of doxy will cure you. Just like the CDC says. Great way to exclude people from a diagnosis.

I was mainly concerned about the protein associated with chronic lyme disease but your so focused on the story that we will get nowhere.

And if you know anything about human trafficking you may understand that these girls in this situation are in fact sex slaves and they literally live in the facility and pay a housing fee. They do it to people every day I am talking to a guy that has the same symptoms same lady same place same mysterious substance same everything. If you'd like I can email you the place you can get in touch with all these people. THERE WAS NO exchange of any fluids just a mystery substance in EVERY CASE.

I didn't do a heinous thing I was an innocent kid and I stopped her immediately but the substance was already on me. She put it on me after demanding more money as a tip and me telling her I just want a normal massage. She left the room came back with a mystery substance and then almost immediately reached under my towel and tried anyways. I left immediately and it was too late and within 48 hours BOOM.

Thanks for trying to bash me. I came here to try and get help. The transmission doesn't matter anymore.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 4/19/2018 2:58 PM (GMT -6)   
looking4acure,

There are 2 main avenues of treatment - antibiotic and herbal.

If you want antibiotics, I would recommend starting a new post with subject "Looking for LLMD near_____".

An LLMD is a Lyme literate medical doctor. You can also check the ILADS website for doctors near you.

There are numerous herbal protocols - Stephen Buhner, Byron White, Cowden, Zhang, Jernigan. You can look into those and see if you are interested.

dacarte3
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   Posted 4/19/2018 8:34 PM (GMT -6)   
This is still highly improbable.

You have to look at odds and probability.

Lyme is something that is surprisingly not well known as it should be. It is greatly under researched and misunderstood by the main stream medical community. With weaponize germs or germ warefare, no one is thinking about "lyme". There's much more well known and "popular" options that could be used.

Also, you are suggesting that a random shady massage parlor (not the beacon of scientifically savvy people) someone how obtained, cultivated, and properly administered lyme laced lotion on your junk and now you have lyme. Not to mention bacteria can't just survive and/or be strong enough to infect someone if you put it in any random liquid chemical concoction. Not saying I know for certain that lyme can't survive being in a bottle of lotion but you also don't know from a scientific standpoint if it could.

Come on man.

What random shady, massage parlor goes though the trouble and cost of being evil to screw people over with "lyme lotion" just to mess up someone's health.

That's now how anything in this world works. There's way to many massive holes in this theory.
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella and Mycoplasma (treating everything to be on the safe side): May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

Post Edited (dacarte3) : 4/19/2018 8:47:00 PM (GMT-6)


dacarte3
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   Posted 4/19/2018 8:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Glascis said...
You know what? I've seen some Lyme sufferers make rather paranoid claims and I feel great sympathy for them - it's likely neuro Lyme symptoms.

What I absolutely can't understand or accept is you coming here and... forget being rude to another member, displaying a horrifying lack of humanity:

"Prositutes are some of the biggest criminals out there. It’s also a way to legitimize illegal money that comes from many other avenues. The girls are slaves living in this place and they also have outward symptoms of neuro Lyme. Just being used as a tool to infect others"

Sounds like you took advantage of a human being who you recognized was trafficked and a "slave"

Also sounds like after doing such a inhumane, heinous thing, you'd also like to blame her for your tick borne illness. What's that? You hate the people whose orifices you use callously?



I suppose you'd like us to recognize your humanity and show empathy when you can't recognize another person's.


Yea this dude is a douche. Se.x workers are people too, trying to make a living. And if he knew these particular se.x workers were trafficked sex slaves but still used their services then he is pretty despicable.

Ironically, it's his douchey mindset that is actually making him paranoid. He wants "someone" to blame so why not put the blame on people he greatly disrespects and most likely don't see as an equal human beings. There needs to be a "culprit" instead of just accepting the fact that there's several ways of getting lyme disease that make much more sense from a scientific standpoint and probability stand point.

Tick, mosquito (who hasn't been bitten by one of these), spiders, and even fluid exchange from unprotected sex (not lyme laced lotions).

He need to just accept this and stop trying to have someone he can blame so he can feel better about it.
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella and Mycoplasma (treating everything to be on the safe side): May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

10LymeB
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   Posted 4/19/2018 10:37 PM (GMT -6)   
looking4acure - I believe that there are bad people in the world who do really heinous things. As for lyme being weaponized, you have to understand...if that's true, it still remains...you have it and you need to get rid of it. A lot of people don't want to hear that the government is out to get us. It's too scary for them to process. Either way, you have some options here: Fight the powers that be or just get yourself well. I personally don't have the energy to fight the powers that be. OR get yourself well and then fight the powers that be.

As for the massage parlor using a product with an endotoxin, if it's true they used it - you should find out what the ingredients in their products are. Start there. They most likely didn't do it willingly. They probably aren't even aware of what the ingredients are. This is how it works in almost all beauty salons: A representative from Company X walks in one day (unannounced) and asks to show the manager/owner their products. They do a sales pitch and if it sounds good, the salon orders it. Not all salons care what's in their products - they just want to be fancy, use what works, fall prey to a sales pitch, or want to save money. It's not a dastardly plan.

Also: Be aware, there is a lot of contradicting information on the web. It's not all true and it's not all false. I'm sure it falls somewhere in the middle. Either way, you have to keep your stress down with this illness. It doesn't help you to spend hours pouring over the net, getting into arguments online, getting stressed. Stress keeps you sick.

You say you got sick overnight - there is a possibility you were already sick and the massage shook some things loose. Massage is a major form of detoxing and can cause people to come down the flu, become nauseous, headaches, and lots more. It's possible the heavy detox merely gave your body an opening to let the lyme take a foothold. My opening was heavy stress of personal family issues and a very stressful move. I was sick for two years before I had recognizable symptoms.

Plenty of people get well from lyme disease. You can get well too. It's a long, grueling process and it's going to take years, but it's not impossible. Even endotoxins can be removed from the body with proper detoxing - that also takes time. Thank you for sharing this information. I know you're just trying to help and some people can't or won't hear it. Don't worry about them. Listen to your body, stay focused on getting well. Lyme is a scary disease, but you have support here and you're not alone.

Post Edited (10LymeB) : 4/19/2018 10:40:04 PM (GMT-6)


looking4acure
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   Posted 4/19/2018 10:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Why don't you reach out to all the people with the same story as me. Our stories are all identical and all involve a substance. We all developed symptoms over night and you think that we all had lyme all along or the place was a trigger for every single one of us? I know its a lot to wrap your head around. Its not about the cost of doing it to people and it was done out of spite because she tried to demand more money. They know what it does to people and they even put me on the phone with the owner and he said good luck. I talk daily to a guy that had this happen at the same place exact facility as me and the same lady same story. ZERO EXCHANGE OF FLUIDS. This guy has been to multiple massage parlors and it just so happens that he gets it at the same one.


Like I said its not about the transmission and honestly its not about trying to blame anyone. Its over I could give a flying ****. I got a positive result with igenex. My question was about OSPA and PAM3CYS but thanks for going out of your way to call me a douche. Every time I sign on this forum you specfically dacarte give me a hard time and bash me. I already battle enough daily. But thank you for the kind words!

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   Posted 4/20/2018 12:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Okay - I think we need to change the direction of this thread. There's no point in arguing anymore about the incident at the massage parlor. It really doesn't matter now, does it?

We don't condone name calling and disrespect here.

looking4acure - you did test positive for lyme disease...and didn't you already start treatment with a LLMD? How is that going? At this point, I think it would be best to put that 'incident' behind you...and concentrate on getting well. All this anger and negativity isn't conducive to healing. I think you know that.
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   Posted 4/20/2018 12:44 AM (GMT -6)   
fl1953 , mycoplasma incognitus , toxo,lyme mold all must bow to bee venom imo

the blame game and paranoia get better with treatment
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