Alchohol in the tonctures an issue??

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KYLEb23
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   Posted 4/19/2018 9:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey so I am taking 6 different herbal tonctures for bartonella. These are the herbs I take and the dosages I plan to work my way up to slowly:
Iha : 50% alchoohol at 3/4 teaspoon 3 times daily
Csa: 65% at 1/2 tsp 3 x
Hawthorne: 25% at 1/2 3 x
Cordyceps: 50% at 1/4
Chinese skullcap: 60% 1/2 3 x
Japanese knotweed: 50% 3/4 3x

Will I have an issue with the alchohol at these dosages? I really don't drink because I want to feel good without alchohol and it suppresses the iune system which can't be good for people with Lyme and other infenctions. Oh, and I have a.f adrenal fatigue so I try to stay away from anything that will stimulate them too much. Well, that's everything. Thanks. I

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   Posted 4/19/2018 10:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Kyle - it is a small amount of alcohol... but I understand your concern especially if you end up taking 10 or more tinctures 3 x a day and you’re dosing 1/4 tsp each.
What’s that - close to 8 tsp or almost 3 Tbsp. per day.

Some people put the tinctures in hot water and let it dissipate but I’ve read that doesn’t do much.
Boiling may remove the alcohol but would that change the effectiveness?
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Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
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Post Edited (Girlie) : 4/19/2018 10:11:58 PM (GMT-6)


KYLEb23
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   Posted 4/20/2018 8:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Do you think the doses Ill be taking and at the frequency it will be close to like 1 beer or a half a beer?

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/20/2018 8:52 AM (GMT -6)   
So that's around 16 ml that you're taking and 1 alcoholic drink of spirits is around 45 ml (sorry I'm Canadian so I do things in ml lol). So the way I see it currently your dose is approximately 1/3 of a standard drink.

As I reached the full dose for three of Buhner's protocol at once I did find the alcohol content to be a bit high for me. I eventually found an herbalist who would tincture everything for me at 1:2 instead of 1:4 or 1:5 so I could reduce that somewhat. I still find the afternoon dose the hardest for me though.
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   Posted 4/20/2018 8:57 AM (GMT -6)   
When I was taking tinctures or remedies that contained alcohol I was very concerned so I put the remedy (remedies) as sometimes I was taking 2 different ones at the same time in a glass of water, let it sit for 15 to 20 minutes and then I drank it. I had no problems or side effects.

The article below may interest you as it explains about alcohol in tinctures:

/docsara.wordpress.com/2013/10/15/alcohol-question-and-answer-by-dr-david-a-jernigan/

Hope this helps,
Denise
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   Posted 4/20/2018 9:08 AM (GMT -6)   
I think I was taking about 15 tinctures at one time and doing them 3 times a day. I had no problem. Hubby did the same.

There is a company called Hawaii Pharm and they make many non-alcohol tinctures.

KYLEb23
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   Posted 4/20/2018 12:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Could someone please also convert my dosages into drops please? It's a little difficult to measure with tsps.

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   Posted 4/20/2018 12:19 PM (GMT -6)   
25-30 drops = 1 dropperful = 1/4 tsp.
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   Posted 4/20/2018 1:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Deejavu said...
When I was taking tinctures or remedies that contained alcohol I was very concerned so I put the remedy (remedies) as sometimes I was taking 2 different ones at the same time in a glass of water, let it sit for 15 to 20 minutes and then I drank it. I had no problems or side effects.

The article below may interest you as it explains about alcohol in tinctures:

/docsara.wordpress.com/2013/10/15/alcohol-question-and-answer-by-dr-david-a-jernigan/

Hope this helps,
Denise


Thank you Denise!

The more I read from Dr Jernigan, the more I trust in his methods. Everything he talks about just clicks.

KYLEb23
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   Posted 4/20/2018 4:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Sandyfeet, the amount of tinctures at the doses Ill be taking add up to 16 ml? Is 16 ml at 50% alchohol gonna even have a tangible effect?

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/20/2018 5:24 PM (GMT -6)   
At 50% alcohol you're looking at the tinctures being roughly equivalent to hard alcohol (say gin or whisky which tend to come in around 40% or so) and a typical drink / dose of hard alcohol is 1.5 fl oz (or ~44 ml). Which is why I came up with the idea that your current dose is approximately the equivalent of 1/3 of a standard drink (be that wine, beer, or hard liquor). So in total if you take 3 doses a day you're spreading 1 drink evenly through the day which shouldn't be an issue.

Whether that affects you depends on whether you're a featherweight like me or not though ;-)

Deejavu's link was interesting, I think, on categorizing people - I'm a type 1 although I don't think I'm dealing with yeast as I've checked on this in the past. I'm definitely a slow processor of both caffeine and alcohol and always have been though.

Post Edited (sandyfeet) : 4/20/2018 6:11:32 PM (GMT-6)


KYLEb23
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   Posted 4/20/2018 5:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh okay thanks so much. Do I have to wait to eat after taking the herbal concoction?

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   Posted 4/20/2018 8:51 PM (GMT -6)   
KYLEb23 said...
Oh okay thanks so much. Do I have to wait to eat after taking the herbal concoction?


Nope - you can take them before your meals.
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Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 4/20/2018 8:59 PM (GMT -6)   
sandyfeet said...
So that's around 16 ml that you're taking and 1 alcoholic drink of spirits is around 45 ml (sorry I'm Canadian so I do things in ml lol). So the way I see it currently your dose is approximately 1/3 of a standard drink.

As I reached the full dose for three of Buhner's protocol at once I did find the alcohol content to be a bit high for me. I eventually found an herbalist who would tincture everything for me at 1:2 instead of 1:4 or 1:5 so I could reduce that somewhat. I still find the afternoon dose the hardest for me though.


1 tsp is 5 ml

I’m getting more than 16 ml per day... Or are you saying 16 ml 3X day?
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/21/2018 5:06 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes. It's 16.25 per dose, 3x a day. smile

Approximately equivalent to 1 whisky (a little more than one technically) spread across 3 doses.

This is the first time in my life I've ever known what it's like to start the morning with an eye opener or hair of the dog (or perhaps the hair of the tick) lol.
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Deejavu
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   Posted 4/21/2018 7:03 AM (GMT -6)   
@ sandyfeet, that's so funny!!
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I still detox even though healed and drink Green Vibrance. I come back to help others for others helped me when I was sick. Pay it forward! smile

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   Posted 4/21/2018 10:54 AM (GMT -6)   
sandyfeet said...
Yes. It's 16.25 per dose, 3x a day. smile

Approximately equivalent to 1 whisky (a little more than one technically) spread across 3 doses.

This is the first time in my life I've ever known what it's like to start the morning with an eye opener or hair of the dog (or perhaps the hair of the tick) lol.



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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 4/21/2018 11:10 AM (GMT -6)   
@Deejavu, Girlie - glad it gave you a giggle smile
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KYLEb23
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   Posted 4/21/2018 1:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Okay thanks. Could any of you give my cordyceps post a look?

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   Posted 4/22/2018 8:04 AM (GMT -6)   
We do some combination herbals (Woodland Essence). I would suspect the total alcohol with a combined tincture would be less than doing them all individually. Just an option for you.
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   Posted 4/22/2018 11:17 AM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisies said...
We do some combination herbals (Woodland Essence). I would suspect the total alcohol with a combined tincture would be less than doing them all individually. Just an option for you.


But then wouldn't you need to take 3X the amount if each dropperful is 1/3 Crypto, 1/3 Sida, 1/3 alchornea?

Eg If you're at 1/2 tsp of each then you'd need 1 1/2 tsp of the mixture, no?


...or am I off-base?
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 4/22/2018 2:47 PM (GMT -6)   
No, doesnt work that way. I dont know why it doesn't. Strange!!!

I never take (or have read) to take that huge of a dosage for combination herbals.

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   Posted 4/22/2018 2:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I suppose if the combo tincture was prepared with all three herbs in alcohol together that might make sense. Does it say that it's a higher ratio on the combo tincture 1000Daisies? Say 1:2 instead of 1:4 or 1:5?

Otherwise I'm confused that it would work this way too smile
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   Posted 4/22/2018 6:56 PM (GMT -6)   
sandyfeet said...
I suppose if the combo tincture was prepared with all three herbs in alcohol together that might make sense. Does it say that it's a higher ratio on the combo tincture 1000Daisies? Say 1:2 instead of 1:4 or 1:5?

Otherwise I'm confused that it would work this way too smile


I've taken different herbal combinations over these years, and I've never ever did these higher doses by trying to "add up" the single herbals. It's never been recommended per the doctors/medical practitioners, bottle label, instructions, web information, etc. Some of these combinations have over a dozen herbals in them (and if you did the individual calculations, you would be taking an insane amount of this stuff if you went off-label -- wouldn't you seriously be over doing it dangerously if you did?).

Look at Byron White herbals - they aren't going over 20 or 30 drops (??), and they have a LOT of individual herbals in them.

FWIW - if you want to look at ratio, just look at any of the Byron White labels or even Woodland Essence combination herbals.
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