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BrookieGirl
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   Posted 4/20/2018 1:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Just curious, how many of you would consider yourself an empath? Someone that feels others emotions, challenges etc as their own? I have been reading about how Lyme can be triggered by stress, or a traumatic event and I just had the thought, I wonder if empaths tend to get lyme more than the average person.

I know this may be a little "out there" for a lot of you, but I am very spiritual and sensitive and I tend to take on peoples problems, I worry about strangers, I say prayers for road kill... I mean, come on!!! I know, even my husband says I'm a whack lol. I think there might be a connection between highly sensitive people and Lyme. What are your thoughts? And how do you retrain your brain to not take on the weight of the world?!

Girlie
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   Posted 4/20/2018 1:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Oh yah. I have often said that I feel others' pain. I can't see someone cry without crying myself.

Prior to my symptoms starting, I had a very emotional 3 years when my father's health went down hill and he got messed up on psyche drugs.

Ive always been sensitive.

I think I've gotten more sensitive since lyme. I thought I would get tougher as I got older...but nope.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/20/2018 10:01 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm an highly sensitive person and empathic. It was less of a problem for me before I had lyme as I had the energy to cope with the world around me, less so now. I'm very careful now about how I spend my time and energy, I've even removed myself from one friendship that was too negative for me and I never would have done that before.

I suppose that's another of the positive things about going through lyme for me. I spend lots more time unapologetically (ok I still apologize lots about it sometimes lol) focusing on the things that centre me - meditation, yin yoga, quiet reading time - and respecting my limits of what I can give.
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017

BrookieGirl
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   Posted 4/20/2018 10:22 AM (GMT -6)   
Definitely an interesring correlation.

Are you seeing improvements, Sandyfeet?

Octobrsky13
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   Posted 4/20/2018 10:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Absolutely. I often need to take breaks from forums, fb groups, etc. because the suffering of others is too much for me to handle. When I’m feeling well, I can handle more but eventually it starts to affect how I feel. I rarely watch the news because of it.

I marvel at how unaffected other people can be by all of the suffering around us.

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/20/2018 10:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Improvements in my lyme or my sensitivity BrookieGirl?

Things are definitely getting better for me lyme wise - I've been flirting with feeling 60-75% better for a while now. But I know it can slide backwards pretty easily too and I still have some things to figure out.

Sensitivity wise - Im feeling more centred too. Having so many limitations on what I can physically and emotionally do (and I have kids at home too) has really forced me to be ruthlessly honest with myself which has been good over all since I was able to avoid that before. I still cry at the slightest things. Just the beauty of having another day, no matter what it is like, makes me cry sometimes. Or thinking of all the sadness that people I know go through and carry brings me to tears because the truth is that life _is_ bitter sweet. Let's just say I keep a lot of tissue boxes around. I'm ok with that ;-)

How are you doing these days BrookieGirl?
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/20/2018 10:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Oh, I just realized that I never addressed your original question of whether my lyme was brought on by stress or trauma. I don't think so in my case. I actually feel that my mental and physical health is what kept the infection at bay for a long time - it took me two years to develop undeniable symptoms.

It used to drive me bonkers when a few close friends would repeatedly hint that perhaps I had somehow brought it on myself through some unaddressed trauma or stress. I was bitten the first year we moved to a small rural community and my life couldn't have been more laid back.

It definitely varies and I know I'll be quite alert to stress in the future as a possible trigger for going out of remission.
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/20/2018 11:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Octobrsky13 - I feel absolutely the same way! I find I also need a break from fb and forums as when I'm feeling worn down it feels like a stream of jumbled noise. I think I've become so very aware of how much everyone around me is in a world of their own suffering. Not so much joy around at all. Sometimes I wish I could just hug them all and set it right- that wouldn't be odd at all would it ;-)
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017

Octobrsky13
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   Posted 4/20/2018 12:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Just the beauty of having another day, no matter what it is like, makes me cry sometimes.





sandyfeet - It’s a gift to see life this way;).

BrookieGirl
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   Posted 4/20/2018 12:45 PM (GMT -6)   
You guys are definitely my people smile

I would get really mad at the beginning too when my husband and family would say I was just overly stressed.

Or people would tell me I had anxiety - ok, that's why my legs physically dont move correctly! Lol.

Sandyfeet, I am seeing improvement with lyme as well. My balance is still pretty awful, but my legs seem to be getting stronger and more coordinated. POTS still seems to be one of my biggest challenges. Can't wait for this to all be a distant memory.

One day at a time. So nice to just know what youre up against. You know? That limbo period of not knowing what was causing this was definitely the scariest.

Happy healing!

countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/20/2018 6:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, absolutely. I am an empath/HSP and I experienced a lot of trauma growing up/as a young adult and the final trauma happened when I became a mother.

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/20/2018 6:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Aww Octobrsky13 it really is a gift. I hope all my empath friends feel the same way about life; we deal with so much smile

I'm hoping we'll all be counting this as a distant memory sooner than we expect BrookeGirl! Thank-you so much for starting this thread. It really made my day. :D

countingstarsx - motherhood was such a crucible for me! On top of all the turmoil I finally did some reading and learned so much about myself. My eldest is HSP (highly sensitive) as well which was my initial motivation. Thankfully I have two so I realized that some of us are just 'this way' lol.

Happy healing!
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017

KYLEb23
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   Posted 4/20/2018 7:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm definitely an empathy and super sensetive to everybodys energy I'd say. Btw for herbal tinctures , do you have to wait to eat after toy take them?

acarined
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   Posted 4/20/2018 8:21 PM (GMT -6)   
BrookieGirl said...
Just curious, how many of you would consider yourself an empath? Someone that feels others emotions, challenges etc as their own? I have been reading about how Lyme can be triggered by stress, or a traumatic event and I just had the thought, I wonder if empaths tend to get lyme more than the average person.

I know this may be a little "out there" for a lot of you, but I am very spiritual and sensitive and I tend to take on peoples problems, I worry about strangers, I say prayers for road kill... I mean, come on!!! I know, even my husband says I'm a whack lol. I think there might be a connection between highly sensitive people and Lyme. What are your thoughts? And how do you retrain your brain to not take on the weight of the world?!


I highly recommend The Art of Empathy by Karla McLaren, it both teaches people how to better understand and relate to their emotions, as well training empaths to rein in their abilities.

BrookieGirl
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   Posted 4/20/2018 8:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes!!! Thank you, acarined! I will get it. Im realizing more that I will need to invest less of my emotions into others as I heal...and I dont even know where to begin. Thank you

acarined
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   Posted 4/20/2018 9:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Her website gives a good overview of the book if you want to learn more.

Girlie
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   Posted 4/20/2018 10:07 PM (GMT -6)   
KYLEb23 said...
I'm definitely an empathy and super sensetive to everybodys energy I'd say. Btw for herbal tinctures , do you have to wait to eat after toy take them?


No - you can take them right before your meals.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Dahlias
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   Posted 4/21/2018 6:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Definitely yes here too. I've worked for seven years writing for a charity that does humanitarian aid, so I'm constantly absorbing and writing devastating stories -- almost channeling them. That was not the trigger -- there were more immediate personal stresses before I got sick, but it doesn't help. I used to hate it when people would say they had to stop watching news to protect their mental health, because I feel like we need to pay attention to situations around the country and the world. (The people experiencing them can't turn it off!) But I have had to start doing exactly that because I now feel the physical effects of it. I realized especially that if I browse social media and read these things at night, it makes the insomnia much worse, so I'm trying to read good books instead, and I've started diffusing lavender oil and taking L-theanine to help let go of some stress and anxiety.

10LymeB
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   Posted 4/21/2018 2:27 PM (GMT -6)   
I think you're absolutely right. I've been called an empath by more than one person and I started realizing that things don't just affect me, they affect me on a much deeper level than most people. That said, it's a gift when you know how to control it and create boundaries - something I'm working on. I spent a lot of years wondering what was wrong with me.

It should also be noted that lyme patients tend to be: Creative, adventurous, DIYers, always on the go. You don't get lyme by staying indoors all day. We're a special group, that's for sure. We're not like other chronically ill people.

Empaths also sense energy better and are more sensitive to EMFs. Something to think about.

I also really believe lyme can stay dormant until a stressful event. Mine reared its ugly head after a stressful family event that occurred during a very stressful move.

countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/22/2018 3:48 PM (GMT -6)   
sandyfeet said...


countingstarsx - motherhood was such a crucible for me! On top of all the turmoil I finally did some reading and learned so much about myself. My eldest is HSP (highly sensitive) as well which was my initial motivation. Thankfully I have two so I realized that some of us are just 'this way' lol.

Happy healing!


The last month of my pregnancy and first 2 months of motherhood were borderline traumatic in many ways -- mostly due to unexpected health/breastfeeding issues on both my and my daughters part. Shortly after that trauma passed was when I started experiencing symptoms. Then there was the stress of being alone with a newborn for 12+ hours a day while my partner worked. Oh all the emotions, and struggle!

Combine that with an emotionally abusive alcoholic for a mother, who I didn't part ways with for a few years and that mix had me crippled by the time my daughter was 1. But, I'm doing better now, and am working on healthy boundaries. smile

countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/22/2018 3:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Dahlias said...
Definitely yes here too. I've worked for seven years writing for a charity that does humanitarian aid, so I'm constantly absorbing and writing devastating stories -- almost channeling them. That was not the trigger -- there were more immediate personal stresses before I got sick, but it doesn't help. I used to hate it when people would say they had to stop watching news to protect their mental health, because I feel like we need to pay attention to situations around the country and the world. (The people experiencing them can't turn it off!) But I have had to start doing exactly that because I now feel the physical effects of it. I realized especially that if I browse social media and read these things at night, it makes the insomnia much worse, so I'm trying to read good books instead, and I've started diffusing lavender oil and taking L-theanine to help let go of some stress and anxiety.


I definitely relate to that. I wish I could do more for others, or what have you, but I can't handle the news. I stopped following my friends on FB that post news articles about terrible things that happen. I work in a chiropractors office lately, and I just wish I could tell the people to stop talking when they start telling me about the latest story.

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/22/2018 4:16 PM (GMT -6)   
countingstarsx - I am so sorry to hear just how difficult that first year was for you. Did you develop lyme while still caring for a newborn?! How is your lyme now?
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017

countingstarsx
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   Posted 4/22/2018 9:58 PM (GMT -6)   
My early symptoms started when she was about 5 months old. At the time I thought it was sleep deprivation. It got worse and worse from there. I was at my worst when she was about 14 months old, I nearly had a mental breakdown.

She is 3.5 now, and I am a lot better. All of the mood stuff is for the most part gone. Still have brain fog and intense fatigue. A lot of aches and pains, but not as bad as it was. I would say I'm 50-60% improved.

BrookieGirl
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   Posted 4/22/2018 10:11 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm so sorry. What an incredibly difficult time that must have been. Praying for nothing but improvement for us all, I have faith that's what will happen. πŸ™πŸΌπŸ’“

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/23/2018 7:07 AM (GMT -6)   
countingstarsx - Mine were older but my youngest had only recently started sleeping through the night consistently so I put all my troubles down to poor sleep as well - I figured years and years of waking up with my kids had trained me to sleep fitfully and I spent ages working on 'sleep hygiene' and assuming that sleep was the origin of all my woes. I saw that you're treating homoeopathically now and seeing good results. smile That's wonderful!

BrookieGirl - I am full of faith and hope too. Thanks again for the thread.
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017
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