Plan of action for new bites on family members?

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Dahlias
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   Posted 4/21/2018 7:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Where we live, it's just a matter of time before someone in the family gets another tick bite. What is your plan of action when that happens?

I found a recommendation on a holistic forum for lemon eucalyptus topically on the bite and 10 days of colloidal silver. The oil couldn't hurt, so I am thinking about buying it to have on hand. But I worry about metals, so I'm thinking I'd rather do abx than colloidal silver.

A friend of mine who is in remission from Lyme gives her family doxy for a few days after a bite. I think for the teenagers, I'd do that too. But what about a 5-year-old? Don't think I have any old amoxicillin on hand and I'm not sure a doctor would prescribe it.

Also, has anyone found good tweezers for ticks? They all seem to be flat these days, or pointy like a needle.

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/21/2018 11:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Good question!

Buhner recommends taking astragalus throughout tick season (@ 3000 mg - not sure off the top of my head what that would be in tincture terms and I'd only do that for adults I think). He also recommends an application of andrographis tincture at the bite site covered with a bit of moistened bentonite clay with cotton gauze on top left in place for up to 24 hours.

I think it was also a good reminder earlier to send the tick for testing for all co-infections if it's reasonable as well.

I'm interested to hear other's plans.
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017

Girlie
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   Posted 4/21/2018 12:11 PM (GMT -6)   
ILADS Guidelines:



TICK BITES - Embedded Deer Tick With No Signs or Symptoms of Lyme (see appendix):
Decide to treat based on the type of tick, whether it came from an endemic area, how it was removed,
and length of attachment (anecdotally, as little as four hours of attachment can transmit pathogens). The risk of transmission is greater if the tick is engorged, or of it was removed improperly allowing the tick's contents to spill into the bite wound. High-risk bites are treated as follows (remember the possibility of co-infection!):
1) Adults: Oral therapy for 28 days.
2) Pregnancy: Amoxicillin 1000 mg q6h for 6 weeks. Test for Babesia, Bartonella and Ehrlichia.
Alternative: Cefuroxime axetil 1000 mg q12h for 6 weeks. 3) Young Children: Oral therapy for 28 days.
EARLY LOCALIZED - Single erythema migrans with no constitutional symptoms:
1) Adults: oral therapy- must continue until symptom and sign free for at least one month,
with a 6 week minimum.
2) Pregnancy: 1st and 2nd trimesters: I.V. X 30 days then oral X 6 weeks
3rd trimester: Oral therapy X 6+ weeks as above.
Any trimester- test for Babesia and Ehrlichia
3) Children: oral therapy for 6+ weeks.

Re: tweezers - I bought a Tick Removal kit that has tweezers - actually I bought two - my son got one for Christmas.

tongue
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 4/21/2018 5:31 PM (GMT -6)   
In addition (not in place of) what Girlie wrote, this may be worth considering:

drjaydavidson.com/tick-lyme-prevention

Girlie
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   Posted 4/21/2018 6:16 PM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
In addition (not in place of) what Girlie wrote, this may be worth considering:

drjaydavidson.com/tick-lyme-prevention



I've never heard anyone call a tick bite a 'sting' before.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Dahlias
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   Posted 4/21/2018 9:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you! Wow, that's a lot of abx for a precaution -- more than I was thinking.

Girlie, so funny about your son's Christmas gift! turn

Girlie
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   Posted 4/21/2018 10:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Dahlias said...
Thank you! Wow, that's a lot of abx for a precaution -- more than I was thinking.


Yes it is - especially if this is a frequent occurrence.

Where I am located I’d recommend it as getting tick bites isn’t that common (not yet anyway) so it’s not something you’d be doing often. I think that it’s wise to decide on the situation at the time. If it’s not engorged and was only attached a short time with proper removal - then maybe the Astragalus would be a good option?

Also getting the tick tested - then you could follow up with abx if it tested positive for Lyme.


Does anyone know how accurate tick testing is?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/22/2018 6:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Around here that would be rather a lot of antibiotics to be taking. Last summer it seemed most of my outdoor friends were up to the hospital several times each to have ticks removed or bites looked at.

I think you'd definitely have to make it a case by case guess of whether the bite was high risk or not.

I'm guessing the tick testing is quite accurate because this is the way they test transmission times - if I remember correctly they attach infected ticks to a host (mice?) and then attach clean ticks and let them feed to completion and then test these ticks.
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017

1000Daisies
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   Posted 4/22/2018 9:01 AM (GMT -6)   
Dahlias said...
Also, has anyone found good tweezers for ticks? They all seem to be flat these days, or pointy like a needle.


There are products called "Tick Twister" or "Ticked Off" that can be used for removing ticks! They really focus on removing the WHOLE tick (as opposed to a person using tweezers around it's body and leaving the head attached to the skin).

I actually had this happen to my friend's kid. She went to the doctor, and they wouldn't remove the head (said to just leave it there). Her kid has had numerous ticks, and he also has major, serious issues. (They don't test/treat for lyme.)
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

Girlie
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   Posted 4/22/2018 10:51 AM (GMT -6)   
You can order the tick removers online.

I bought mine from the CanLyme website
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

yancync
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   Posted 4/23/2018 8:58 AM (GMT -6)   
I've seen Misty Meadows Chronic Tonic mentioned and was thinking of having that around in case anyone including DS gets bit again. Like you said, it's really just a matter of time if you live in the East or are outside a lot.
Parent of teen DS w/ CDC+ Lyme test Nov 2015, late stage Lyme + mycoplasma (stubborn/lingering), bartonella, babesia. Currently treating with pulsed antibiotics, moving toward maintenance and headed into remission - no sick days this school year yet smile

Website I started: ParentsofLymeKids.com aka Lyme Disease 101 for Parents
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