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Sheeks175
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   Posted 4/22/2018 1:22 AM (GMT -6)   
This kind of ties into Girlie's thread about premature aging with lyme. I just turn 29 yesterday and I do notice some premature signs of aging. I have lines and dark circles under my eyes that are definitely worse than the other 29 year olds. I would like to do something to slow this down or reverse some of the poor skin under my eyes.

So, do any of those under eye creams actually work? Could you recommend one that you like that is relatively inexpensive? And are there any home or natural remedies that work? Thank you!

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   Posted 4/22/2018 1:51 AM (GMT -6)   
I’ve never tried anything before - as I never had the need - so can’t suggest any creams/potions - but I think they’re probably just a money grab.

Probably getting facial fillers would work for lines and collagen loss but I’m not comfortable with injecting substances into my face.

Even my eyelids are looking strange - like a little bit droopy.

I’m hoping things improve once we’re well.
Maybe the skin can get it’s elasticity back and more collagen...
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   Posted 4/22/2018 5:20 AM (GMT -6)   
I've always been told that dark circles under the eyes is a sign of allergies or liver problems. Before I had lyme I noticed that mine improved when I changed my diet to remove gluten and dairy (both of which I am sensitive to) so I think there is something to that. Given the amount of stuff our bodies are dealing with it makes sense that dark circles might worsen. Maybe upping your detox might help a bit.

I've never really been consistent with using any sort of cream so I can't advise there but a nice natural face cream might be a good idea. I'd check anything you're thinking of using in the Skin Deep cosmetic database for toxicity though. Probably a good idea to stay away from drug store brands as you don't need to add anything extra to the load that your body is already dealing with.
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   Posted 4/22/2018 8:45 AM (GMT -6)   
I was under the impression and experienced that dark circles under the eyes are not from aging, but health. I was that way with a combination of insomnia, liver not detoxing and adrenal issues which equals health stress - oh, and the lyme!.

Over 50 now and face looks younger than ten years ago. My sleep is better but not perfect. I think the "lyme look" can get better as you improve.

I also try to eliminate uneeded stress, but this sometimes results in me just blowing things off sometimes/procrastination.

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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 4/22/2018 9:09 AM (GMT -6)   
I agree with what the others have said so far. Getting enough sleep, removing toxins from both inside (your body) and outside (your environment) and taking care of your adrenals will most likely take care of your skin and looking aged.

I've never used eye cream specifically, but most all that stuff is loaded with chemicals and fragrance. In the last year, I stopped using even Vanicream lotion which is for people with allergies and just use coconut oil now, and my skin looks better. Even the dermatologist told me my skin looked great and to keep doing whatever I was doing (which is coconut oil and lots of outdoor air and sun exposure and no sunscreen, LOL!!!)

TIP: coconut oil is easiest applied to slightly wet skin, so I put it on when getting out of the shower while still a little wet. I just dab dry a little with the towel first. I personally like Barlean's brand, as it is creamier and not as hard as some others I've tried.

Oil pulling with coconut oil is also great and can help remove bacteria from your teeth and mouth, which reduces the amount of germs your body deals with, I would think.

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   Posted 4/22/2018 9:27 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm glad you mentioned the coconut oil WalkingByFaith. I was just popping back to suggest using an oil face wash which is one thing I love for my skin. I use a mix of castor oil and sweet almond oil. Gently rub it in and then give my face a light steam bath with a warm/hot wash cloth. When I'm consistent about doing this every other day or so I don't need any moisturizer and my skin feels much better. Anything else tends to completely dry out my skin.

I'd second getting lots of natural vitamin D working up slowly.

I loved oil pulling and haven't done it in a while. I should get back to it.
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Sheeks175
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   Posted 4/22/2018 11:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the tips! I do need to work on my detoxing. I have been letting that slip for quite a while now. So with the coconut oil, do I just rub it on my face after a shower and let it absorb? Every other day?

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   Posted 4/23/2018 9:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Sheeks175 said...
Thanks for the tips! I do need to work on my detoxing. I have been letting that slip for quite a while now. So with the coconut oil, do I just rub it on my face after a shower and let it absorb? Every other day?


Rub the oil into your face every time you take a shower or wash your face. I use it all over my body instead of using lotion.

Sheeks175
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   Posted 4/23/2018 4:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks! Will do.

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   Posted 4/23/2018 5:01 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
Sheeks175 said...
Thanks for the tips! I do need to work on my detoxing. I have been letting that slip for quite a while now. So with the coconut oil, do I just rub it on my face after a shower and let it absorb? Every other day?


Rub the oil into your face every time you take a shower or wash your face. I use it all over my body instead of using lotion.


Doesn't it leave a greasy, shiny coating on your face? I used it for my hair a few times...but never did my face.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 4/23/2018 5:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Make sure to check for allergies/sinus and/or low iron issues for the dark circles under eyes.

Protect your skin from the sun, that causes the most damage.


Take collagen daily, my friend at work uses Biosil she says it works but expensive.

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   Posted 4/23/2018 5:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
WalkingbyFaith said...
Sheeks175 said...
Thanks for the tips! I do need to work on my detoxing. I have been letting that slip for quite a while now. So with the coconut oil, do I just rub it on my face after a shower and let it absorb? Every other day?


Rub the oil into your face every time you take a shower or wash your face. I use it all over my body instead of using lotion.


Doesn't it leave a greasy, shiny coating on your face? I used it for my hair a few times...but never did my face.


If it's too greasy then your skin isn't damp enough when you put it on and/or you're using too much. It helps if your fingers are damp, too. Just put a small amount on the ends of your fingers and work it in. Add more if needed. Once it dries, there shouldn't be any shine or stickiness. Practice makes perfect. 😊

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 4/23/2018 5:17 PM (GMT -6)   
If you have dandruff stuff or dry skin in your eyebrows or around your temples, gently massage the coconut oil in those areas. Can't remember what the dermatologist called it, but I had it off and on for a few years. Coconut oil cured it and it's never come back.

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   Posted 4/24/2018 7:18 AM (GMT -6)   
I am the queen of beauty products, I feel like I've tried them all. Very few topicals will do much for your skin other than provide temporary relief or moisturizing. The only things I've found that actually changes the appearance of your skin are chemical peels (I use TCA), which can be purchased from Makeup Artists Choice and done at home (CAREFULLY), or if you have the funds, TNS Recovery by SkinMedica. I've tried lasers and saw minimal improvement. Some people have success with Retin-A or ingesting Collagen (Vital Proteins and Great Lakes are popular choices). And, sometimes we just have to accept looking like crap until our health improves mad

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   Posted 4/24/2018 3:49 PM (GMT -6)   
has any one reported Milk Thistle improve the dark under eyes, was thinking of trying Jarrow Milk Thistle for liver/kidney support and have heard that it sometimes helps the dark under eye.

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   Posted 4/24/2018 4:23 PM (GMT -6)   
sierraDon said...
has any one reported Milk Thistle improve the dark under eyes, was thinking of trying Jarrow Milk Thistle for liver/kidney support and have heard that it sometimes helps the dark under eye.


I do take milk thistle, but I don't have dark circles so I don't know if it helps with that or not. If the dark circles are caused by liver issues, it might take more than milk thistle. Maybe a liver cleanse or daily castor oil packs for a while in addition to milk thistle. Maybe some dandelion root or burdock, too.

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   Posted 4/24/2018 4:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, so far my liver/kidney enzymes check out OK, so not sure if its liver issue. my eyes are a little dark but puffy underneath. they have been somewhat like this a long time, and i always attributed it to seasonal allergies, but since getting lyme i thought it may have worsened, but who knows

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   Posted 4/24/2018 4:33 PM (GMT -6)   
sierraDon said...
Thanks, so far my liver/kidney enzymes check out OK, so not sure if its liver issue. my eyes are a little dark but puffy underneath. they have been somewhat like this a long time, and i always attributed it to seasonal allergies, but since getting lyme i thought it may have worsened, but who knows


Most doctors would probably say allergies, especially if you actually have tested positive for allergies. A lot of people where I live think they have allergies because they have stuffy nose or sinus problems but they've never seen an allergist for testing.

Check for mold in your environment. Mold is a huge immune suppressor and can cause chronic inflammation just like chronic Lyme.

The puffiness could be lymph related. Do you take red root or anything else to aid in lymph drainage? Sauna might help too, if you have access to one. Some YMCA's have saunas.
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