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almost medfree
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   Posted 4/23/2018 4:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Everyone,

I'm usually in the fibromyalgia forum, but I have wondered for many years if I might have Lymes. I did a google search in this website and came up with some helpful information from some of you in this forum concerning dental implants and the complications that can come with them. Thank you for that.

My question is since I am so sensitive to some metals and am considering not getting the two implants done that my holistic dentist and oral surgeon are recommending, what might happen?

Could some of you tell me what affects you might be experiencing from not getting implants and having missing teeth?

I'm being told by these doctors that my jaw bone will continue to shrink and possibly even break someday if I do not get the implants. I am also being told that the teeth above my two missing teeth will elongate and possibly become infected.

My remaining teeth have a lot of old cavities, so I might possibly have to get dentures in the future. Though my dentist assures me that that will not happen.

Any advice would be welcome. Thanks!

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   Posted 4/23/2018 10:44 AM (GMT -6)   
All I can say is, unless you have a really good dentist, don't trust everything they tell you. You might want to get a second opinion. I don't know, but it seems like sometimes they are out for your money, some dentists are really good though. I really don't know much about implants, but I think it depends on how old you are whether they want to put them in.

Could they use something you aren't allergic to, or could they just do dentures, since you might have other teeth that need to come out? I suppose if the two teeth are next to each other that got pulled, you do need to do something about them.

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   Posted 4/23/2018 10:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Did you visit a biological dentist?

There's a lot on this forum about dental. Go to the search bar and type in "root canal Lyme" or "dental Lyme" and you should find a lot of threads.

Magoo2 used to post all the time about dental stuff, but I haven't seen him/her recently.

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   Posted 4/23/2018 11:09 AM (GMT -6)   
I really don't know how to answer this. But I wanted to share that I have a friend who was born with a missing permanent tooth (upper). She has never had an issue ever with this. She never had an implant or any treatment for it.

So, I wonder why people with missing permanent teeth may not have problems vs people who have a tooth removed?

FWIW - one of my kid's baby tooth was pulled due to a deep cavity. I was concerned about teeth moving to compensate. But even though it's been a few years, there have been no issues whatsoever. (Eventually his permanent tooth will come in within the next year or two.)
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   Posted 4/23/2018 11:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Are you anywhere near St Louis? If so, magoo saw Dr Yu who is there. That doctor specializes in parasites and dental issues.

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   Posted 4/23/2018 12:19 PM (GMT -6)   
I also don't understand the need for implants. I know someone who had a tooth pulled who decided not to do anything.

I go to a really good dentist now, but I think some of the dental problems I have are from some bad orthodontic work I had in the past.

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   Posted 4/23/2018 7:51 PM (GMT -6)   
So what happened to your teeth? What is the cause for your missing teeth?
I ve know many biologcal dds- Cook, Margolis,Huggins and a couple more. None would use metal implants. Cooks book even reference a small study where metals in jaw lowered immune system by half-thats not good! Huggins told me all implants are hellish and create an immune response.

Did you do a clifford test? This is a cheap blood test to see if you are allergic to dental material that will be in your body 24-7-365. Dont let a dds jam any material into your jaw-it will be there 24-7-365.

Many docs start in the jaw for all health problems- lyme cancer autoimmune-ect. Remove metal and clean out infectionsand watch health return. The famous Dr. Rau at Paracelsus sends every patient to the dds first.
To quote Dr. Cook-save the patient not the tooth.
Google dental meridan chart and see if your problme teeth match other psyical issues. This chart haas been in TCM for hundreds of years-I find it usually works.

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   Posted 4/23/2018 8:20 PM (GMT -6)   
What I’ve read is a missing tooth can cause bone loss in that area due to lack of stimulation . But it shouldn’t affect the other areas of your mouth.

What about a removable bridge - that’s an option?

I also think the bone loss is usually slow.
I know someone who has an unhealthy lifestyle (drugs and alcohol) and lost a couple teeth when he was in his 40’s (periodontal Disease and resulting bone loss) and he’s now in his 60’s and he hasn’t lost anymore teeth.
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almost medfree
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   Posted 4/24/2018 3:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks so much everyone for your thoughtful replies.

To answer the question about why I have two missing teeth, one tooth was removed when I had braces put in. And the tooth next to it had a root canal done many years ago that became badly infected. One of our local endodonists tried to resolve it and was not successful. My holistic dentist said due to the infection the tooth needed to be removed.

I haven't tried the Clifford test. I wonder how long something like that would take to get the results. Then I wonder how accurate the test is.

My oral surgeon has already performed the preliminary tests to see whether I'm a candidate for implants and he probably wouldn't want to much time to go by between those tests and getting the implants.

I'm considering having zirconia implants put in by my dentist after my oral surgeon does the bone grafts. But I learned from my dentist that he's only done ten, and one was not successful. I've also read that zirconia implants can crack.

This is all so confusing. I'm still on the fence. Is it better to do nothing and possibly experience the side effects down the road or is it preferable to get the implants and possibly experience side effects right off. I already have nerve pain on the L side of my face from an old neck injury.

And is there a possibility that the infection in that second tooth that was pulled is still there?

Thanks again, everyone!

Post Edited (almost medfree) : 4/24/2018 4:16:44 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 4/24/2018 6:17 AM (GMT -6)   
almost medfree-
The root canal explains the infection. Many doc recommend one always pulls out root canals because they are always infected. A smoldering infection ( root canal) will wear down one immune system over time and open the door for poor health-or death.

How accurate is the Clifford test? Compared to what-guessing? The dds is going to place materials in your jaw that will be there 24-7 till the day that you die.

What test did the oral surgeon do to say that you are an candidate for implants? be careful-my experience is oral surgeons always suggest implants and don't believe they have any impact on your health-science says otherwise.

Is there any possibility the infection is still there- clearly. Find a cavitat or a good biological dds who actually finds infections like this as a regular part of his/her business. this really can be the key to regaining your health.

almost medfree
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   Posted 4/24/2018 6:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks so much for your reply. My oral surgeon did a 3D MRI on that area. Would that be sufficicent enough to show if there is still an infection there?

You're right about the Cliffords test. It would be better than guessing. I think I'll look into that.

I believe my dentist is a biological dentist. Do you know what kind of test it would take to look for an infection?
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   Posted 4/24/2018 6:47 AM (GMT -6)   
A cavitat scan is the best I have seen. A good dds doing muscle testing works some use an EAV ( EAV works great) I read that Paracelsus Kinik has a new scanner. Strange but I also think you will know if there is still infection there-our bodies are built with more biofeedback than any machine will ever have.

Don't leave infection in you jaw

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   Posted 4/24/2018 7:15 AM (GMT -6)   
/iaomt.org/wp-content/uploads/JON-Position-Paper.pdf

In this IAOMT paper, they say:

"Diagnosis is difficult due to the fact that some JON is almost invisible on standard radiographic films commonly used in dentistry. Ratner and others have stated that since 40% or more of the bone needs to be altered to show changes on standard dental radiographs, the disease state is sometimes referred to as “undetectable” on dental films.14 The interpretation of dental films is subjective and it is not uncommon for many trained researchers and clinicians to review identical films and come away with different interpretations.15

For these reasons, Tech 99 scans, MRI with filters, CAT scans, digital radiography, “thru transmission ultrasonography” (CavitatTM),16 and other methods to visualize these lesions may be necessary. It should be mentioned that although the CavitatTM ultrasound has been used as a diagnostic aid by some clinicians for many years, it is no longer manufactured.

Cone-Beam Computed Tomography (CBCT) has proven to be a reliable method of identifying and estimating the size and extent of intra-bony defects in the jaws."

It may be hard to find someone with a CAVITAT machine, but you should be able to get access to the Cone Beam scanner. It does mention MRI with filters. I'm not sure what that means. Can you share this paper with your dentist and see how familiar/knowledgeable he is about the issue?

I went to a biological dentist listed on the IAOMT site, but when talking to him, it was clear that he was not familiar with a lot of the information I had found on the IAOMT site. He was SMART certified in safe amalgam removal, but that's about it. So I still haven't gotten my amalgams replaced because I'm not comfortable with this dentist.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 4/24/2018 7:21:13 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 4/24/2018 7:28 AM (GMT -6)   
The Melisa test is the one that tests for metal sensitivities. Clifford and Biocomp test for compatibility with multiple substances used in dentistry, but there are differences in how they test. I did the Biocomp. All this information is on the IAOMT site.

Here's the information on dental compatibility testing:

/iaomt.org/practical-guide-compatibility-testing-dental-materials/

almost medfree
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   Posted 4/25/2018 4:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks everyone!

I have made a decision. Due to my hypersensitivity to foods, certain metals, allergens, and chemicals, I've decided not to have the implant work done.

Thanks again!
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   Posted 4/25/2018 9:05 AM (GMT -6)   
magoo2 said...
A good dds doing muscle testing works ...


I agree on the importance of dental health.

However, I don't trust muscle testing - whether done by a qualified dds or other practitioner. I have just found it to not be reliable (after years of doing it through multiple practitioners). I personally wouldn't base a major dental decision on muscle testing.

Our holistic dentist recommended that we do muscle testing (with a kit that they'd provide), but I didn't waste our time/money on it personally because I have seen muscle testing to not be reliable.

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   Posted 4/25/2018 10:04 AM (GMT -6)   
almost medfree- I'm so glad you could make a decision- I don't know about you, but have trouble making decisions like that.

1000Daises-I don't trust muscle testing either. I'm having it done for cold laser therapy, and I think the laser is helping, but I don't trust that anyone will actually be able to tell that the Lyme is gone.

almost medfree
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   Posted 4/25/2018 1:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks 1000Daisies and Notime4lyme. You are all so informative.
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   Posted 4/25/2018 4:40 PM (GMT -6)   
1000 daisies- I get you don't rust muscle testing. I have a DDS that has been spot on and Dr yu with hi EAV has been spot on also. A cavitat is best.

Since you dont believe in muscle testing how do you suggest one test to see if there is a dental cavitation?

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   Posted 4/25/2018 9:42 PM (GMT -6)   
magoo2 said...
1000 daisies- I get you don't rust muscle testing. I have a DDS that has been spot on and Dr yu with hi EAV has been spot on also. A cavitat is best.

Since you dont believe in muscle testing how do you suggest one test to see if there is a dental cavitation?


I never claimed to have all the answers to dental issues. smile

I just said I don't trust muscle testing and would not rely on it for major dental (or other health) issues.

If muscle testing is truly the best test for dental cavitation, then we have some serious issues IMHO.

Disclaimer - I have many issues with the current dental industry (including, but not limited to, the use of fluoride, mercury fillings, and many other questionable practices that they promote). After many experiences with different dental clinics over the years, I FINALLY found a holistic dentist that my family goes to now.

Post Edited (1000Daisies) : 4/25/2018 10:02:42 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 4/26/2018 4:49 AM (GMT -6)   
The point I was poorly trying to make is that dental can be the most important piece of your health and the conventional take a pano and look at it for two minutes misses terrible infections all the time. So we have to try some other method. Cavitat is great if you can find one-I think cavitat is the best method by far. Without that one is left with some type of energy testing and their gut instinct (instinct is almost always right).
My method is to use all three-pano-energy testing and every couple of years I get a cavitat. Not treating dental can create very bad outcomes so doing nothing is not an option if one wants to get better. I have been lucky enough to know two separate people that muscle test for dental-they like me so its free. I use one to double check the other. I get being a skeptic but start with being a skeptic of the xray and pano.

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   Posted 4/26/2018 5:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,

As far as muscle testing I had it done when I was going through peri-menopause and it was amazing! I was skeptical at first until I experienced it with a naturopath. The end result was I was given supplements that helped me get through peri-menopause easily as I was really suffering (in fact when I first started going through peri-menopause I thought I was relapsing from lyme). As I was being muscle testing I fought really hard (yes I challenged the naturopath) but my mental resistance didn't work.

Below is an excerpt about Dr. Klinghardt from one of Dr. Mercola's articles:

Dr. Klinghardt’s path into medicine was a rather unusual one. He ended up participating in an experimental program during medical school that included training in classical homeopathy and acupuncture. This was followed up with a two-year medical residency in India, where he learned the principles of Ayurvedic medicine.

Today, the chronic illnesses people are faced with are more complex and diverse than ever before, caused by the ever increasing amount of toxicity, exposure to electro smog, and the effects of chronic infections such as Lyme disease.

Dr. Klinghardt’s background offers him a unique perspective, from which he has been able to devise highly successful treatment methods to address many of these health problems in novel ways. The use of ART is one of the tools he frequently uses to help diagnose the root of a person’s health problem.

Muscle testing was initially developed in the US by a chiropractor, Dr. George Goodheart, who developed applied kinesiology. Dr. Klinghardt has since taken it to an entirely different level, to where ART can be used to understand and gauge how different interventions can influence a person’s pathology.

Conventional medicine does not have the tools to determine the root of a health problem, which makes ART that much more valuable. And contrary to popular belief, the ART method of muscle testing is not based on psychic abilities or some flimsy methodology of using your body as a pendulum.

Rather, it is a true diagnostic system that is based in physiology, the function of your autonomic nervous system, with repeatable experiments to back it up. In the video above, you’ll hear him give several examples of the methodology that distinguishes ART from other muscle testing techniques.

/articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/02/27/what-to-do-when-doctors-and-naturopaths-fail-you.aspx

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and I respect everyone's opinions! I just wanted to share my own experience. smile

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