Bartonella confusion - iga/igm confusion

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Kalymika
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   Posted 4/25/2018 1:53 PM (GMT -6)   
I know that resting can be inaccurate. I currently have Bart stretch marks rashes on shoulders, sides and upper thigh. My left heel has hurt since Nov, nodules under skin off shins, shin pain, general bone pain, and numerous other Bart symptoms including severe psych issues.

My bart igg was positive
Pcr negative
My bart iga was negative despite active rashes. My immunoglobulin a is 90 and scale is 81 to 436. I know this because my iga for ttg for celiac is always normal, even after eating gluten. But my igg will be positive. Is any one else borderline iga deficient? Wondering if I should have igm level tested?

Should I do igenex testing for Bart? Or is there a cheaper option? My Dr believes I have it, so maybe it's not worth testing.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 4/25/2018 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
If you have Bart streaks, why do you need to test?

Girlie
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   Posted 4/25/2018 2:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Kalymika said...
I know that resting can be inaccurate. I currently have Bart stretch marks rashes on shoulders, sides and upper thigh. My left heel has hurt since Nov, nodules under skin off shins, shin pain, general bone pain, and numerous other Bart symptoms including severe psych issues.

My bart igg was positive
Pcr negative
My bart iga was negative despite active rashes. My immunoglobulin a is 90 and scale is 81 to 436. I know this because my iga for ttg for celiac is always normal, even after eating gluten. But my igg will be positive. Is any one else borderline iga deficient? Wondering if I should have igm level tested?

Should I do igenex testing for Bart? Or is there a cheaper option? My Dr believes I have it, so maybe it's not worth testing.


It's usually IgM and IgG that is tested for these diseases.

You have IgG positive - plus stretch marks, nodules...bone pain - psyche issues....'nuff said.

If your Dr. believes you have it...then no need to test. Are you seeing a LLMD?
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Kalymika
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   Posted 4/25/2018 4:38 PM (GMT -6)   
My Dr doesn't doubt I have it. I'm just confused about the testing. But I guess that is normal with all this. All my tests come back, well, not definative and it just bothers me.... I'm more of a concrete person...lol. but I've been debating on igenex testing just to see my levels since I heard it's more accurate. I guess it's not really necessary. After years of doctors and testing I just like seeing positives. I know that's weird, and I don't want to be sick, but answers in Black and White are nice. I had thought that pcr was a more definitive test since it's DNA, but after posting I read it's just as inaccurate as the other tests for most people.

I am very grateful for my Dr. She is very knowledgeable and really listens. My follow up isn't for another two weeks so you all are my go to in between smile

Girlie said...
Kalymika said...
I know that resting can be inaccurate. I currently have Bart stretch marks rashes on shoulders, sides and upper thigh. My left heel has hurt since Nov, nodules under skin off shins, shin pain, general bone pain, and numerous other Bart symptoms including severe psych issues.

My bart igg was positive
Pcr negative
My bart iga was negative despite active rashes. My immunoglobulin a is 90 and scale is 81 to 436. I know this because my iga for ttg for celiac is always normal, even after eating gluten. But my igg will be positive. Is any one else borderline iga deficient? Wondering if I should have igm level tested?

Should I do igenex testing for Bart? Or is there a cheaper option? My Dr believes I have it, so maybe it's not worth testing.


It's usually IgM and IgG that is tested for these diseases.

You have IgG positive - plus stretch marks, nodules...bone pain - psyche issues....'nuff said.

If your Dr. believes you have it...then no need to test. Are you seeing a LLMD?

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 4/25/2018 4:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Not weird. Totally understandable. I'm glad you have a good doctor who listens and thinks.

Unless you have money to throw away, it honestly would be better spent on treatment, which is going to take quite some time.

Kalymika
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   Posted 4/25/2018 5:10 PM (GMT -6)   
True. No extra money here. I'm not even sure where I'm getting money for glutathione when I run out of the infusions I prepaid.

WalkingbyFaith said...
Not weird. Totally understandable. I'm glad you have a good doctor who listens and thinks.

Unless you have money to throw away, it honestly would be better spent on treatment, which is going to take quite some time.

Girlie
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   Posted 4/25/2018 10:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I totally understand wanting positive test results for coinfections...you never know when you might need them, right?


But, they really shouldn't be necessary. and aren't "needed".

Having said that, after my Lyme positive with Igenex and treating for a couple of years, I saw a different LLND for a new 'set of eyes'. She suggested I do a pcr test with a lab that isn't known for lyme and co testing here in Canada.
Since it was only $125 for blood and urine pcr per infection, I went ahead and tested Candida, babesia and Bartonella.

The Bart was positive. This was after over a year of treating bart.
My understanding is unlike the WB, the pcr does indicate active infection. Now I am glad I did the test....lol.

I do like knowing it's definite that I DO have bartonella. I'm even going to check at my next appt. with the J Clinic if they have it on record...as I do think bart is and always has been my dominant infection...and we need to get back at it...now that Ive been knocking the Babesia back.

So, while it's not necessary and not needed to test...especially in the beginning to start treatment...sometimes it can be 'handy' having a positive confection test.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

insomniaaa
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   Posted 4/27/2018 3:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes I agree with Girlie.

Having a positive PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test means that the bartonella DNA has been successfully cultured from the sample and identified.
A positive PCR test is proof of an active infection.

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 4/27/2018 3:16:39 PM (GMT-6)

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