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Scooterbuglyme
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   Posted 4/28/2018 7:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi i just started zinthromax for babesia started yesterday and did not sleep at all last night its one pill a day for now 250 mgs i am really sensetive to meds please only positive stories i shake like a leaf anxiety depression insomnia i am hoping this is babesia oh and jump out of my sleep to catch my breath night sweats but could also be hormonal i am at that age.....i do not feel dizzy or brain fog so sometimes i wonder if this is just depression anxiety or hormones or something else going on....

acarined
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   Posted 4/28/2018 10:23 AM (GMT -6)   
How did you get diagnosed, what were your symptoms? If the antibiotic is causing a flareup, that can be a sign that an infection was present.

Girlie
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   Posted 4/28/2018 10:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Scooterbug - there will be something added to the Azithromycin, right?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Justin01
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   Posted 4/28/2018 1:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello Scooterbuglyme,

I too have similar symptoms as you, and I do have Lyme disease, Bartonella and we suspect Babesia as well. I too get extreme shakiness/anxiety, breathing issues, etc. Btw, there are studies that show that both Bartonella and Babesia can cause breathing issues. I, like you, had to go slow when I started the Zithromax/Azithromycin. I started with 100mg/day due to feeling like I couldn't breath well when I tried taking 250mg at first. I slowly worked my way up to 250mg/day, where I am right now. Instead of increasing to 500mg/day, as well as adding either Rifampin (for Bartonella) or Mepron (for Babesia), I decided to stay at the 250mg/day and incorporate natural botanicals (herbs) instead. The main purpose is because I have a lot of difficulty with the antibiotics, but it really is a preference.

I recently started on the Cowden Protocol, which you slowly increase until you eventually get to the full dosages over time. I did notice after taking the Zithromax/Azithromycin after 1 month, and then adding the Cowden Protocol for about 2 weeks that I'm having less bad days/symptoms, and more good days. I do Herx at times, but that's expected. Over time, we should notice less and less Herxing as more and more of these bugs die off.

Note: If it seems like the Herxes are too much for you, try detoxing. I found Burbur-Pinella to be really affective in helping me to alleviate a Herx. It sells online at many places. I get it from the main company itself (NutraMedix), but you can get it at a lot of places online. You can also try cutting back a little on what you are taking for a day or so (a few days if needed), then slowly increase again onc you are over the Herx, but try to keep taking at least some of the medications without stopping it completely. Usually, the herx will subside.

Also, have you tried botanicals for the anxiety? There are a number of them out there that may help, such as Skullcap, Passion Flower, etc. If the anxiety is really bad, you may need to ask your Medical Doctor for a prescription of anti-anxiety meds. They aren't the best, but they can help with really bad anxiety, especially with Babesia and/or Bartonella, as well as Lyme. Eventually, the anxiety should subside with treatment.

You may want to find yourself a Naturopathic Physician to help you, along with your Medical Doctor. The Naturopathic Physician can help you support your body and its detoxifying abilities, as well as to decrease the inflammation, which causes a lot of the symptoms that we tend to experience.

I wish you the best. Remember, Never, Never, Never Give Up! If you are a person of faith, trust in God. You will find a way to get through this in time.

Justin01
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   Posted 4/28/2018 1:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello Girlie,

I understand that you need to add multiple antibiotics when treating these bugs, but some people are very sensitive, and will need time to build up to it. Yes, you do need to be careful with causing bug resistance, but it usually takes some time for that to happen.

Increasing slowly over time usually helps someone with extreme sensitivities and/or Herxes, especially if they have really bad anxiety.

All the best.

Girlie
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   Posted 4/28/2018 2:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Justin01 said...
Hello Girlie,

I understand that you need to add multiple antibiotics when treating these bugs, but some people are very sensitive, and will need time to build up to it. Yes, you do need to be careful with causing bug resistance, but it usually takes some time for that to happen.

Increasing slowly over time usually helps someone with extreme sensitivities and/or Herxes, especially if they have really bad anxiety.

All the best.


I do understand about starting lower doses sometimes - but I wasn’t talking about that - I am asking if there are plans to add something to the Azithromycin... as it isn’t effective to treat Babesia.
An anti parasitic/anti malarial is required.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Girlie
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Date Joined May 2014
Total Posts : 32680
   Posted 4/28/2018 2:46 PM (GMT -6)   
scooterbug - do you have a good detox regimen? You want to be doing multiple methods daily.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Justin01
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   Posted 4/28/2018 2:58 PM (GMT -6)   
I hear you. Yes, Mepron (anti-parasitic-malarial) is most likely in the future, along with the Zithromax/Azithromycin.

Scooterbuglyme, you may also try looking into alternative treatment for Babesia, such as Buhner's Protocol. He uses Sida Acuta, along with other botanicals for Babesia. You may even be able to try using them with the Zithromax/Azithromycin if you are concerned about adding something like Mepron.

Btw Girlie, did you see the article on methylene blue and its use to kill malaria? See the link below. It was so affective that it completely wiped out the malaria parasite within two days. And, you couldn't spread it to others as the bugs died off like you could with just using a anti-malaria drug by itself. I'm thinking they should try testing this against Babesia since it is a type of parasite, and anti-malaria drugs are used to treat this infection.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/02/09/584285815/blue-dye-kills-malaria-parasites-but-there-is-one-catch?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

Best wishes.

Scooterbuglyme
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   Posted 5/5/2018 4:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Justin did you take 100 mgs of zinthromax a day to start with.....how long until you increased it?really scared gives me anxiety depression
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