lyme need manganese and zinc-pubmed

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astroman
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   Posted 4/28/2018 4:51 PM (GMT -6)   
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23690398/

Although some get magnesium and manganese confused, supplementing with Magnesium for CNS, muscles and digestion should not be feeding the bugs.

I wonder if Manganese and Zinc in multi vitamins are bad for us?

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   Posted 4/28/2018 5:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I remember reading about the importance of manganese to lyme early on and wondered the same. The symptoms of deficiency had me concerned though - I was definitely dealing with chronic fatigue of who knows what origin. I figure the bacteria will scavenge what they need no matter what I do so I made sure to supplement with manganese rich foods.
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   Posted 4/28/2018 5:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Isn't zinc part of Klinghardt's protocols? the HPU/PKU ??


astro - why would manganese and zinc in a multi be bad for you?
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astroman
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   Posted 4/28/2018 6:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Isn't zinc part of Klinghardt's protocols? the HPU/PKU ??


astro - why would manganese and zinc in a multi be bad for you?


The link- per pub med lyme likes manganese and zinc.

Obviously we need it to, but I hate feeding / rolling out the read carpet for the critters if this is true.

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   Posted 4/28/2018 6:31 PM (GMT -6)   
They like all minerals and vitamins practically. If your Zinc is low or on the low normal side, supplementing with it may not be a bad idea. Zinc supports your immune system, and that is exactly what is needed to fight these bugs.

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   Posted 4/28/2018 6:32 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
Girlie said...
Isn't zinc part of Klinghardt's protocols? the HPU/PKU ??


astro - why would manganese and zinc in a multi be bad for you?


The link- per pub med lyme likes manganese and zinc.

Obviously we need it to, but I hate feeding / rolling out the read carpet for the critters if this is true.


But, it's going to feed on it whether you supplement or not...so you may as well try to keep the levels up.
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   Posted 4/28/2018 8:01 PM (GMT -6)   
The human body needs manganese and zinc as well. We can only speculate about this, but I highly doubt these minerals are rate limiting steps in borrelia growth in the human body. In other words, i suspect the presence of manganese and zinc far exceeds what the bacteria needs and you are likely to hurt yourself before making an improvement by starving them. Who can say for sure, but i would expect manganese and zinc deficiency to be pretty prevalent if borrelia was really going around depleting our stores of it and requiring large amounts to persist.

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   Posted 4/28/2018 8:42 PM (GMT -6)   
guys you will be long dead before starving borrelia of some necessary ingredient. its menu list is impressive and most are essential to human body too.

This is a complete list of the contents of BSK medium, which Borrelia likes to grow:

Product Description
BSK-H medium is a complex medium designed to support the growth of the Lyme disease spirochete, Borrelia burgdorferi.

Components g/L
L-Alanine 0.0235
L-Arginine 0.054398
L-Aspartic Acid 0.0282
L-Cysteine·HCl·H2O 0.2444
L-Cystine 0.0188
L-Glutamic Acid 0.0705
Glycine 0.047
L-Histidine HCl·H2O 0.0188
Trans-4-Hydroxy-L-Proline 0.0094
L-Isoleucine 0.0188
L-Leucine 0.0564
L-Lysine·HCl 0.0658
L-Methionine 0.0141
L-Phenylalanine 0.0235
L-Proline 0.0376
L-Serine 0.0235
L-Threonine 0.0282
L-Tryptophan 0.0094
L-Tyrosine 0.0376
L-Valine 0.0235
N-Acetyl-D-Glucosamine 0.376
L-Ascorbic Acid 0.047
PABA 0.000047
D-Biotin 0.0000094
Choline Chloride 0.00047
Citric Acid·3Na·2H2O 0.6956
Coenzyme A 0.00235
Cocarboxylase 0.00094
2'-Deoxyadenosine 0.0094
2'-Deoxyguanosine 0.0094
2'-Deoxycytidine·HCl 0.010904
Flavin Adenine Dinucleotide·2Na 0.0000996
Folic Acid 0.0000094
myo-Inositol 0.000047
5-Methyldeoxycytidine 0.000094
β-NAD 0.006956
β-NADP·Na 0.00094
Niacinamide 0.0000235
Nicotinic Acid 0.0000235
D-Pantothenic Acid·Hemicalcium 0.0000094
Pyridoxal·HCl 0.0000235
Pyridoxine·HCl 0.0000235
Pyruvic Acid·Na 0.752
Riboflavin 0.0000094
Thiamine·HCl 0.0000094
Thymidine 0.0094
Uridine-5-Triphosphate·Na 0.00094
Calcium Chloride [Anhydrous] 0..188
Magnesium Sulfate [Anhydrous] 0.09183
Potassium Chloride 0.376
Sodium Acetate [Anhydrous] 0.047
Sodium Bicarbonate 2.068
Sodium Chloride 6.392
Sodium Phosphate Monobasic [Anhydrous] 0.11468
D-Glucose 5.64
Phenol Red·Na 0.01997
Glutathione 0.0094
D-Glucuronic Acid·Na 0.00365
Cholesterol 0.000188
Tween 80 0.0047
HEPES 5.64
Albumin, Bovine 47.0
Neopeptone 4.7
Yeast Extract 1.88
Rabbit Serum 60.0 ml/l

/www.sigmaaldrich.com/content/dam/sigma-aldrich/docs/Sigma/Datasheet/b8291dat.pdf
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