Does letting tinctures sit for a couple hours evaporate the alchohol?

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KYLEb23
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   Posted 4/28/2018 10:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Someone recommended this to me.

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   Posted 4/28/2018 10:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Some alcohol may dissipate - not sure how much tho
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   Posted 4/29/2018 7:24 AM (GMT -6)   
FWIW I looked into this a while back as I wondered how much would evaporate and this was the best article I found on the subject - it's on the evaporation rate of an exposed glass of wine (much lower alcohol of course so the evaporation from say whisky or tincture would be higher I think but it was an interesting discussion)

http://www.academicwino.com/2017/03/alcohol-evaporation-glass-wine.html/

"Overall, the results showed that some of the alcohol in a glass of wine will evaporate in as early as 15 minutes after being set out and exposed to airflow, though it took up to 2 hours for the alcohol to drop 1% in those wines exposed to the greatest airflow. After 2 hours, most of the judges were able to pick out the wine that had been sitting out. After 6 hours, alcohol levels in the wines dropped upwards of 3.2%abv."

In general herbalists seem to recommend placing the tincture into a hot water bath or adding the tincture drops to hot water. Hoffman says "if added to hot water, the alcohol will largely evaporate, leaving most of the extract in the water. However, this may make the water cloudy, as resins and other constituents not soluble in water will precipitate." I'd be careful not to heat the water too much as I worry that the extracts might be heat sensitive but I've seen this general recommendation from several sources.

I know you're looking for easy ways to get around the alcohol content. There was some discussion recently around an interesting compound mix called Tick Recovery by Samsara used by one of the members. It's a powder of Japanese Knotweed, Cat's Claw, Sida Acuda, Houttuynia Cordata and Stevia. It sounded convenient and interesting to me and something I might consider later on just for the convenience factor.
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KYLEb23
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   Posted 4/29/2018 11:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Yeah I am because alchohol stimulates me too much. Are capsules an effective replacement?

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   Posted 4/29/2018 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I couldn't say, I've never seen anything that concretely says one way or another. I would guess that they are as it seems people have had success with such a wide variety of approaches. For the first month I was using a mix of powdered herbs for lyme and I had great success with it - a number of more recent symptoms went away early on. I switched to the tinctures simply because I found that easier.

You could also consider Traveller's approach of taking all of the herbs as a tea (you can see her discussion of the herbs she used and how she prepared a tea from them here - https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3244272). I don't know how effective that would be for the bartonella herbs but it's definitely a possibility. If you have an herbalist or a naturopath near you who works with herbs you could get them to look over whether the same things are extracted in tea as in tincture (it does matter in some cases). They wouldn't have to be experienced with lyme to be able to answer questions of which form you want to take things in and it's nice to have a sounding board for things during treatment.

I wish I could offer a more definitive answer Kyleb23.
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017

KYLEb23
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   Posted 4/29/2018 1:55 PM (GMT -6)   
It's alright Sandy feet. The fact that your trying to help means a lot. You also gave me some good info on the teas and herbalists. I will definitely check both out.

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   Posted 4/29/2018 2:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi KYLEb23,

I made a summary of a section about taking alcohol tinctures and how to take them if you are sensitive to alcohol. I am fixing to start a protocol using alcoholic tinctures and I haven't done well with alcohol tinctures in the past. So, this is very important to me, also.

This is my summary near the end of Dr. Jernigan's book (Beating Lyme Disease, 2nd edition) about alcohol tinctures. It's the end of the month for me when my parasites cycle most, and I'm not able to condense it any further because of stress; so this is my lengthy summary for alcohol tinctures:

Appendix A (important for me, I'm highly chemically sensitive)
Q&A Alcohol in Remedies
p437-444 What to do, How to lessen the effect
People intolerant of alcohol are grouped, as follows:
Group1 after 1st sip they get fatigue and brain fog
p437 Group2 they never drink, alcohol mildly aggravates their symptoms
Group3 recovering alcoholics, don't want to risk relapsing
Group4 severe chemical sensitivities, cannot bear hardly any alcohol
(me again, but I can tolerate kombucha 1 at a time; it has very small amount of alcohol fermentation)

p438 about 6 1/2 drops of alcohol in 1 squeeze (32 drops) of a dropper. (I'll have to be careful here and take suggestions.)

Reasons for using alcohol in tinctures:
1. It makes for a broader-acting supplement.
2. It keeps microbes and fungi from growing in the remedy (if you breathe on or accidentally touch the dropper).

Groups 1 and 2 recommendations:
Liver breaks down alcohol and aldehyde (a nerve poison). If the liver cannot break down the alcohol, often candida yeast overgrowth is present. To treat it:
1. p438-439 Yeast Ease (oil of oregano is often too strong, and high-allicin garlic and capryllic acid supplements are excellent but don't finish the job in the long run). Yeast Ease is the most effective, gentle remedy. Jernigan's
2. Reintroduce good bacteria after some recovery. Add probiotics with many bacteria types.
3. You must take Molybdenum. It's necessary for liver to break down alcohol. Take 3 pills ten to fifteen minutes before taking the alcohol tinctures. No side effects.

Summary for Groups 1 and 2 who are sensitive to alcohol:
1. For alcohol sensitivity, you want to control yeast: Yeast Ease, 1-4 droppers, 2-4xday for 1 to 3 months.

2. Take a probiotic with many different bacteria. Total Probiotics by Nutri-West, 1-2 caps, 1-2xday for 2 months or as long as you're taking antibiotics (whether prescription or natural).

3. You must take molybdenum to detox the die off from alcohol, aldehyde (aldehyde is a nerve poison). Take 1-3 caps (300 mcg each cap), 1-3xday for 1 month.

Group 3 (recovering alcoholics, addictive)
1. Put alcohol dose in a small glass and warm the glass gently in a pot of water comfortable at touch (not hot); let it sit for 10-15 minutes. No alcohol should be remaining.

2. Put the dose over a rice cake and let it sit 15-20 minutes. To speed up the process, place the rice cake on a heated oven door. Eat the rice cake.

Group 4 (highly chemically sensitive)
1. p442 Follow recommendations for Groups 1-3. First, balance Sympathetic Nervous System, adrenals, by taking DSF-Formula by Nutri-West (available through a doctor). It helps to reduce hypersensitivity of your body.

2. Also, take molybdenum since chemical sensitivities are caused by the liver's inability to deal with chemicals, natural or otherwise.

3. Alternately, take medicine transdermally using a gauze of a bandage. Saturate 3"x 3" gauze, wear it at night to bed. Replace 2-3xday. Very potent.

4. Do a retention enema: add a small amount of water to the remedy and inject into the rectum. Hold like a retention enema so it can be absorbed into the body.

KYLEb23
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   Posted 4/29/2018 11:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Okay thanks Gerdy. Hey sandyfeet, was there a reliable company you trusted for the powdered herbs?

sandyfeet
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   Posted 4/30/2018 5:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Not really, unfortunately, I'm in Canada so I've been looking for affordable sources on this side of the border based on recommendations from my ND and lyme friends.
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Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017
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