Anyone Clear & Cured from Lyme Disease Out there?

Have you Been Cured of Lyme Disease
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Yes - completely - 8.7%
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Yes - and most symptoms are gone - 0.0%
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No - but I feel better - 60.9%
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No difference - 17.4%
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I feel worse even after treatment - 13.0%

 
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blueeyedgrass
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   Posted 4/30/2018 1:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi
I am trying to find people who have had lyme disease and who are cured.
There is a lot of information online with some saying you never cure it - can only manage it - but have also seen some say they are cured.
Its impossible to get this kind of info from Doctors because they may say they cure some patients - but never offer proof in any way. Are those people cured or did they just never come back?

Have you been cured or someone you know?

Also - I am seeking treatments for Lyme disease but only want to know about those that actually worked in clearing the body of the diseases - and or took away all or most of the symptoms.

blueeyedgrass
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   Posted 4/30/2018 1:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for responding.

Spanish
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   Posted 4/30/2018 2:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Welcome to the forum, understandably like most of us when we first came here you are looking for a quick fix.. I wish it was that simple.

Theres not one treatment that can be said works better than the rest. Everyone is different and different treatments work for different people.

Theres a ton of information here and people are very friendly, its steep learning curve.

blueeyedgrass
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   Posted 4/30/2018 2:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi - Actually - not a quick or long fix - just an actual protocol that really works - where someone - can say "I was cured".

I am trying to find out - 1 if you can really get rid of Lymes and I

I understand there may be a variety of methods that worked - I want to hear about those that worked.

Spanish
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   Posted 4/30/2018 3:05 PM (GMT -6)   
How would you know you are cured? You could be symptom free today only for it to come back months/years later

bluelyme
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   Posted 4/30/2018 4:54 PM (GMT -6)   
i am in remission however upon inspection with microscope there are still inter cellular spirochetes...1yr iv abx 2.5yrs bvt/ herbs later,,,,,i now accept treatment will be life long ...can do with bvt/rife not abx for rest of my life

Deejavu
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   Posted 4/30/2018 5:11 PM (GMT -6)   
According to the article below I have been cured for over 12 years now. During that time I was bit by a tick but due to my good health not one symptom appeared. Perhaps because I continue to detox, eat healthy, address stressors, etc., mind, body, spirit!

Below I copied part of the article written by Dr. David Jernigan (link below):

"The following will provide you with definitions from medical dictionaries so that you can come to your own answer. The definition of health, cure, remission, allopathic and biological medicine are pivotal in coming to your answer.

HEALTH:
noun.
1. The overall condition of an organism at a given time.
2. Soundness, especially of body or mind; freedom from disease or abnormality.

CURE:
noun.
1. Restoration of health; recovery from disease.
2. A method or course of medical treatment used to restore health.
3. An agent, such as a drug, that restores health; a remedy.

REMISSION:
a. Medicine; Abatement or subsiding of the symptoms of a disease.
b. The period during which the symptoms of a disease abate or subside.

ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE:
A health care philosophy pertaining to conventional medical treatment of disease symptoms that uses substances or techniques to oppose or suppress the symptoms.

COMPLEMENTARY OR INTEGRATIVE MEDICINE: A health care philosophy that incorporates a mixed philosophy of conventional and natural medicine.

BIOLOGICAL MEDICINE: A pure, unmixed philosophy of health care that recognizes that all aspects of the body, mind, and spirit must be addressed and brought into optimal integrity before lasting restoration of health can be achieved.

When in remission one is only talking about the suppression of symptoms and therefore the causes remain underneath the medication and the symptoms even if gone for a period of time without medication, has a strong likelihood of returning since the cause was never addressed.

When you take a painkiller for the symptom of chronic headaches, during the period of no pain …you are in remission.

When a person takes antibiotics for a chronic infection, such as Lyme disease, without addressing the underlying systemic issues that lead to the actual “dis-ease”, and because the bacterial overgrowth is indeed a only symptom of underlying problems in the body…you are most often only in remission.

Simply having Lyme bacteria and co-infections in a person’s body does not mean that person will ever come down with the disease. This means the presence of bacteria is not the ultimate cause of LD. The bacteria might be thought of as the spark, while the weaknesses in the body are the dynamite! No weakness equals no explosion.

When the symptoms of Multiple Sclerosis are suppressed through drug therapy…you are in remission.

When conventional chemotherapy and radiation destroy cancer cells, and the tumor is only the most evident symptom of systemic problems, without addressing the many causes of the cancerous process…this is remission.

If you have a knife stuck in your leg and you take morpheme and the pain goes away…you are in remission!

When you remove the knife and stitch up the wound and it heals…you are cured.

When all of the various causes and interferences to the optimum integrity and function of the many systems and tissues of the body are removed and the optimum integrity and function of every aspect of the body, mind, and spirit are restored in any named illness…you are cured…the pain goes away, the paralysis reverses, the bacteria become none pathological, the tumor disappears. The symptoms will not return unless you redo the things that set the problem in motion in the first place.

The primary difference between the remedies of Biological Medicine and drugs of Allopathic Medicine is that every remedy is used with the sole purpose of restoring some aspect of dysfunction of the body, which once corrected the remedy can be discontinued. The majority of drugs seek only to suppress symptoms and therefore these drugs must be taken for the remainder of the person’s life.

One of the most disrespected aspects of natural and conventional medicine’s view of the human body, and its suffering, is that there is little understanding and respect for the wisdom of the body.

It is this understanding and wisdom of what problems the body is attempting to adapt to that differentiates the Doctor using Biological Medicine from that of conventional, allopathic medical doctors who justify their suppressive treatments by the disappearance of the symptoms, in spite of what the body is attempting to overcome, and in spite of the secondary side-effects.

Most of the best Biological Medicine hospitals of Europe and those few Biological Medicine clinics in the United States have completely moved away from the treatment of diseases and have moved to the incredibly huge task of systematically of going painstakingly through every issue that can be found in the entire organism of the human.

The philosophy of Biological Medicine seeks to provide the body with the building blocks and corrective bio-information and therapeutics to restore the optimum integrity and function of the entire body, mind, and spirit. From this treatment philosophy the causes and the symptoms of “disease” falls away, and “Health is restored” resulting in cure…in spite of the presence of bacteria!

So based upon these definitions, are you headed for cure or remission?"

hansacenter.com/lyme-disease-can-it-be-cured/

Denise smile
12 years well ~ used Dr. Jernigan's protocol from his book about Biological Medicine (used Borrelogen, Microbojen and Neuro-Antitox).

I still detox even though healed and drink Green Vibrance. I come back to help others for others helped me when I was sick. Pay it forward! smile

http://javuviews.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/how-i-became-better-from-chronic-lyme

goshawk
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   Posted 4/30/2018 5:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi and welcome to our forum,

No easy answers when it comes to being cured or going into remission of Lyme . That is because most that get Lyme, also have one or more co infections from the initial vector.

Lyme has become a general term/classification for other co infections that many of us are dealing with.

Those co infections play a huge role in keeping people ill.

Many symptoms overlap between Lyme and the various infections.

All the infections one has need to be addressed and treated.

I understand your questions, I just believe there is no straight forward answers.

Someone could have success but I wouldn't think a single treatment got them there, you would have to add in diet, rest, detoxing, many supplements to build our immune systems back up, collagen to restore damage and hope to get better.


Just reaching 18 months of treatment (ABX for 10 months,then went all Buhner Herbal) and yes, I am rid of about 30 or more symptoms, but some still remain. I consider myself to be at 95 %.

Are you doing research and/or are you infected with Lyme and Co.?

goshawk
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   Posted 4/30/2018 5:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Deejvu, I love reading your posts, they give me so much hope. I have used Jernigan's Neuro antti tox II cns/pns and am going to try more of their products. I agree with your post and I believe this is how I will heal eventually. It is so much more than just treating the infections.

Thank you so much.

Post Edited (goshawk) : 4/30/2018 5:32:14 PM (GMT-6)


Rikky1
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   Posted 4/30/2018 6:42 PM (GMT -6)   
>>I want to hear about those that worked.

all the major protocols work but that depends on who you are. i've known people who were sick for a year and started taking Bactrim and went into remission. that's right just Bactrim.

on the other side I've been doing heavy abx and anti-parasiticals for over 3 years and i'm still struggling with the same main symptoms from the start. my LLMD said for some it just takes time, sometimes a LOT of time.

sorry there are no easy answers here as many have said and if anyone tells you anything different they probably have a bridge to sell you.

Dahlias
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   Posted 4/30/2018 7:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Someone local to me has been free of Lyme for more than a decade. It didn't come back even when she had cancer (lots of stress physically and emotionally).

Someone else local has been free of Lyme for several years.

(I'm only considering people who had chronic Lyme -- not those who caught it early.)

The treatment that I can vouch for is pulsing several antibiotics. I know others have had success with other approaches.

Good luck!

bluelyme
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   Posted 4/30/2018 8:51 PM (GMT -6)   
every cancer patient blood i see also has spirochetes...coincidence....by definition of deja and my microscope no one is cured....there is relief there is healing

Girlie
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   Posted 5/1/2018 1:06 AM (GMT -6)   
While I am not cured yet, I do know some people (not including forum members) who are well - cured or remission - whatever term you want to use.

The length of time - if my memory serves me well:
One has been well for approximately 4 years, another about 3 years, and one for several years (over 5 years)

These were chronic Lyme cases.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Deejavu
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   Posted 5/1/2018 6:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi goshawk,

I'm glad I am able to give you hope! Yes, getting 100% well (or cured) is so much more than going after the lyme bacteria. It's about correcting the underlying problems so one's body can heal itself.

I believe most people don't respect or give credit to how wise our bodies are yet when people first become ill their bodies let them know that. Looking back at my life I was working around 60 hours a week, cleaning the house, cooking, socializing, etc. I was like super woman! Then I get bit by a vector and the rug was swept under me. I couldn't believe it. I went from one extreme to the other.

Point being is that my body let me know I was sick by having low grade fevers, joint pains, brain fog, losing the use of my legs, and the list goes on. I didn't need a doctor to tell me I was sick, my body told me everything.

By using biological medicine it corrected my body so my body was able to heal itself (and yes, detoxing played a huge role in that). Our bodies are very wise!

Goshawk, you will become 100%!

Denise smile
12 years well ~ used Dr. Jernigan's protocol from his book about Biological Medicine (used Borrelogen, Microbojen and Neuro-Antitox).

I still detox even though healed and drink Green Vibrance. I come back to help others for others helped me when I was sick. Pay it forward! smile

http://javuviews.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/how-i-became-better-from-chronic-lyme

astroman
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   Posted 5/1/2018 8:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Cured or remission is a matter of word play, that we should not get hung up on.

(my edit: the OP is asking about lyme disease symptom, not if we continue to harbor the BB bacteria, many have the bacteria, but no longer or sometimes, never, had/have lyme "disease" symptoms.)

Obliviously having no symptoms is what were after, no matter what you wish to call it.

It only makes sense, the shorter duration of symptoms, the quicker and more likely to "heal".

Until the day arrives that we have a 100% accurate test, one technically cannot be sure they have removed all BB lyme bacteria. That said, our bodies harbor many other pathogens that are kept under control by our immune system.

We cant forget damage either, this might not heal completely. Autoimmune is another area that can develop and does not just heal once the cause is removed, since some degree of autoimmune actually causes physical damage.

I know someone who is "healed" (enough for everyday life/work) but can no longer push themselves like in the past.

Post Edited (astroman) : 5/1/2018 10:51:58 AM (GMT-6)


1000Daisies
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   Posted 5/1/2018 8:57 AM (GMT -6)   
With my family, we have varying wellness and sickness.

Kid#1 is the only one who is well, and he has been "well" for over a year now.
Kid#2 is still very much struggling - better but far from well.
Kid#3 is very functioning - hard to measure his sickness, as he's so up and down but not severe at all.
Me - my issues confuse me.

I understand the desire to see what "works" for people who are well. (I don't generally engage in the cure/remission debate - simply say we are "well".) But I know for treating the four of us, what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for the next -- and I've learned that the hard way between my kids.

I've posted some information about Kid#1's wellness (been over a year now). There are a few things that definitely stick out for him in getting him well, but to be honest, I will never fully understand his journey. Majority of mainstream and alternative were epic failures for him. But yet, we finally were able to get him well - but it took far too long to get there and he lost a majority of his childhood.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

elvin
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   Posted 5/1/2018 8:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Blue lyme, do you work in a lab where you see a lot of cancer patients' blood? Are the spirochetes specific to lyme? Just curious, I have been worried about cancer coming in the future because of this.

Post Edited (elvin) : 5/1/2018 9:00:11 AM (GMT-6)


Deejavu
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   Posted 5/1/2018 9:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi astroman,

From all my research one can never get rid of "all" BB lyme bacteria, it's totally impossible. Lyme bacteria hide in places where abx, herbals, etc. can not reach.

I will always have some lyme bacteria but I do not have lyme "dis-ease"...

Denise
12 years well ~ used Dr. Jernigan's protocol from his book about Biological Medicine (used Borrelogen, Microbojen and Neuro-Antitox).

I still detox even though healed and drink Green Vibrance. I come back to help others for others helped me when I was sick. Pay it forward! smile

http://javuviews.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/how-i-became-better-from-chronic-lyme

1000Daisies
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   Posted 5/1/2018 9:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Most of us have staph on our skin, and we're in balance (eg doesn't cause us any issues). How is that much different?

I've never understood why cure vs remission is so contentious! smile
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

BlakeAlexander
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   Posted 5/1/2018 9:17 AM (GMT -6)   
I think it is very important to keep in mind that most of us who are still on this forum have not healed. And because we have not healed, we still have unanswered questions and therefore we are still on this forum.

Most of those who have healed and are completely well have put this nightmare behind them and they are out there living there lives. Because of this I do not think it makes much sense to gather "cure" rates based of those who have healed on this forum. There is no data on how many heal but from what I gather it seems that most eventually get completely well. For some that may take a few months for others it may take many years.

Post Edited (BlakeAlexander) : 5/1/2018 9:21:01 AM (GMT-6)


Deejavu
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   Posted 5/1/2018 9:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi BlakeAlexander,

Yes, most of the forum have not healed and since I'm home most of the time taking care of my elderly Mom (I'm her full time caregiver) I am glad I can find some time to help others.

I wish other veterans who have healed would come back to inspire those who are sick. I feel we need more of those people...

Actually having chronic lyme was not a nightmare for me because of all I have learned. I am healthier now compared to the years before I contracted lyme. This disease taught me so much about my diet, detoxing, stress, etc.

Denise
12 years well ~ used Dr. Jernigan's protocol from his book about Biological Medicine (used Borrelogen, Microbojen and Neuro-Antitox).

I still detox even though healed and drink Green Vibrance. I come back to help others for others helped me when I was sick. Pay it forward! smile

http://javuviews.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/how-i-became-better-from-chronic-lyme

1000Daisies
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   Posted 5/1/2018 9:31 AM (GMT -6)   
I agree, Denise, that I have learned so much from this challenge, and I have made decisions to have a healthier future for all of us.

However, it has been beyond a nightmare for my family. I personally can't spin it to overall positive for us. It has stole many things from us that we will never get back. Mostly, I miss the innocence of childhood that my children have lost... and time, a lot of time lost. So much suffering too. Some things, you just can't get back. But I have no choice but to move forward and hope for a better future.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

BlakeAlexander
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   Posted 5/1/2018 9:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Deejavu,

I couldn't agree with you more. As hard as it may be I think we should all be focusing more attention on the positives. I think most on this forum can resonate with you on how much you can learn through the process.

I also do think that those who heal go on to develop a greater appreciation for life given the fact that prior to Lyme many were taking their health for granted. It is when you lose your health that you realize how important it is.

BlakeAlexander
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   Posted 5/1/2018 9:37 AM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisies,

You're right, this disease is certainly not all sunshine and rainbows. But I admire the fact that you are choosing to move forward and hope for a better future. For now stay strong, that day will come.

astroman
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   Posted 5/1/2018 10:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Deejavu said...
Hi astroman,

From all my research one can never get rid of "all" BB lyme bacteria, it's totally impossible. Lyme bacteria hide in places where abx, herbals, etc. can not reach.

I will always have some lyme bacteria but I do not have lyme "dis-ease"...

Denise


Exactly. This is where its sometimes confusing for newbies. And my comment may have been confusing too. Lyme "disease" is the onset of active symptoms.

To make things more confusing, some people have CDC positive BB bacteria tests and never had symptoms to begin with. So they don't have lyme disease, but harbor active BB.

I am improving very slow. Soft tissue damage takes years apparently. And if my autoimmune damaged thyroid is from lyme, well, then it becomes a possible permanent symptom. One of two thyroid antibodies is now borderline normal, but the disfigured thyroid gland is not growing back to normal shape and density per U/S imaging....not sure thats even possible anyway.

Post Edited (astroman) : 5/1/2018 11:35:11 AM (GMT-6)

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