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gerdy
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   Posted 5/3/2018 2:53 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm on day 2 of my Journal, and it is helping me to understand what is going on with me, and then, to consider what I need to do next.

After today, I realize I have a problem with constipation. I'm eating less and drinking more liquids than usual and I didn't have a BM today, only bits. I wasn't sure before. The saying "You don't know what you don't know" applies to me here. I've always been constipated, and a couple of months ago I changed my diet again to cut out more stuff, like meat, and more grains, etc. I've had less trouble straining. I actually thought I wasn't constipated.

Now that I am aware that I am constipated, I believe I need to do the gallbladder/liver cleanse before starting the Lymogen or I am very likely to have a bad herx from being constipated. I sure don't want any more of those bad herxes. I've had plenty of those. Also, I am having headaches, although mild, I think it may imply that I'm very toxic, also.

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   Posted 5/3/2018 4:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi gerdy,
Magnesium can help to keep you regular. The one I use is magnesium(from oxide). Its made by Perfect Balance.

Just always be careful to check for side effects and contradictions.

Take are and I wish you the best of healing, Jo

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   Posted 5/3/2018 7:50 AM (GMT -6)   
I agree with goshawk about magnesium helping you move your bowels.

After rethinking the liver/gallbladder flush (which I feel great afterward!) I started thinking parasites after reading some blogs.

Maybe other's would chime in and give their thoughts about addressing parasites first.

Below is a product made by Dr. Hulda Clark (I never tried this one but I'm thinking of ordering it) after what I read. I had tried other parasite cleanses before but not this one:

/drclarkstore.com/parasite-cleanse-by-dr-hulda-clark/

/drclarkstore.com/dr-hulda-clark-parasite-cleanse.html

The articles/blogs below address parasites:

/www.naturalnewsblogs.com/parasites-symptoms-cleanses-10-foods-prevent/

www.drclark.net/the-essentials/advanced/parasites-advanced/we-all-have-parasites

davidjernigan.blogspot.ca/2014/04/parasites-can-cause-add-chronic-fatigue.html

davidjernigan.blogspot.com/2014/04/worms-in-your-body-are-leading-cause-of.html

Anyone else think that Gerdy should address parasites before doing Jernigan's protocol and a liver/gallbladder cleanse?

Denise
12 years well ~ used Dr. Jernigan's protocol from his book about Biological Medicine (used Borrelogen, Microbojen and Neuro-Antitox).

I still detox even though healed and drink Green Vibrance. I come back to help others for others helped me when I was sick. Pay it forward! smile

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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/3/2018 11:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Natural Calm magnesium citrate is reliable and cost effective. I take it around 8:30 at night. You may need higher dose than what's on the bottle if you have a lot of gut inflammation. Take however much you need to get regular BM in the consistency you want.

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   Posted 5/3/2018 1:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Constipation and more often than not inflammation, are the major hallmark symptoms for mold poisoning which I am now convinced gave me Lyme. I understand that there is no acknowledged official medical link but we have established a bit more than a casual relationship to Lyme and mold at this time.

My wife suffers the constipation and to a lesser extent some intermittent inflammation. I apparently have it the worst, but frequent doses of magnesium assist me with both issues. I have built a tolerance to be able to take high doses. Convincing her to do the same is another issue and I am working on it.

Headaches were a big problem for me and a small one for her. Mine would at times last 3 days. They are way less frequent now that we are addressing the clean up of the air.

Our advantage is we know that mold is the likely culprit for our ailments. Cleansing the gallbladder is also one of my planned steps. I will post more about this in the "Comprehensive mold" thread I started. Basically the gallbladder recycles the mold spores as they get caught in and reabsorbed through bile.

I am on day 4 of Chloestyramine and she is on day 5 of coffee enema. I would have her on the Cholestyramine but she cannot while constipated. Neither of these treatments are remarkable as of yet but I will update if they become so.

Just sharing thoughts for what it is worth. The journal is an excellent practice. Without it I would have been lost. Kudos to you for doing this.

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Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 5/3/2018 12:19:53 PM (GMT-6)


gerdy
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   Posted 5/3/2018 10:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I appreciate the responses, Jo, Denise, WalkingbyFaith, and ChickenArise.

I'll start taking magnesium again and a bit extra to see if I can get regular. I don't think I've ever been regular except maybe a couple of days at a time at the most.

Also, I might have mold issues. The last house I bought to fix up had mold upstairs. I sold it about 5 years ago.

I'm so thankful for the people in this forum.

Nicki

Justin01
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   Posted 5/3/2018 10:22 PM (GMT -6)   
First, eat more vegetables! Vegetables have fiber, and fiber will soak up the water that you are drinking and bulk your stool, meaning it will lead to a bowel movement (BM). Second, if you aren't having at least 1 BM per day it means you are constipated. It is especially important to have at least 1 BM per day while treating otherwise your toxins will build up and you will Herx a lot more, or longer, as well as become more inflamed leading to a worse diseased state.

Third, never use magnesium oxide. That's a terrible form of magnesium. If you are looking to use magnesium to help with BMs, magnesium citrate is a better form of the mineral.

Best wishes.

gerdy
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   Posted 5/3/2018 10:50 PM (GMT -6)   
ok, thanks Justin01

I did eat lots of vegetables today on the Swiss secret diet by Dr. Rau, but I admit the 1st 2 days I didn't eat much.

I have some magnesium citrate on hand, and I took 1 already. I'll take another one in a bit after I eat again.

herbalwhiz
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   Posted 5/4/2018 7:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Google stomach25 acupuncture point and apply acupressure on both sides of belly button. It works if you’re persistent.

MooseSafari
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   Posted 5/4/2018 7:11 AM (GMT -6)   
I have had lots of trouble from constipation during my illness. Well, I started taking probiotics a few months ago and it works very well for battling it. Dont know if this would work for everyone but it sure worked for me. Now if I feel constipation is on the rise I will take some tiny amounts of probiotics and it seems to solve it...

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/4/2018 8:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Justin mentioned eating vegetables for fiber. If there's a possibility mold or other toxins in the gut are causing inflammation, it's probably a good idea to eat ample healthy fat in the diet. I don't have a scientific link to post, but I'm pretty sure fat helps to bind toxins in the gut and carry them out via the stool.

gerdy
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   Posted 5/4/2018 11:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Sorry to report this, but I had a binge last night. I bought some things on sale last week, sugar products.

It happens. My binges used to be much worse. I'm ok with this for now, otherwise, I think I'd lose it. 2 medjool dates, part of a Theo orange dark chocolate bar and fermented soda, Fentiman's dandelion and burdock (2)...too much sugar, I didn't check that when I bought it, and 2 pieces of toast, Kinnickinnick, gluten free wholegrain with lots of coconut oil, organic and unrefined. I try to find the healthiest binge food I can, for me. This is once a month or every couple of months. The coconut oil was good for me.

I don't expect recovery today because of my binge but I also won't beat myself up mentally about it.

I'm back on track today. Please don't discourage me because of this. I need your positive input.

gerdy
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   Posted 5/4/2018 12:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi herbalwhiz,

This technique is something I've been meaning to do. In Jernigan's protocol, he calls it a "valve correction", the ilio-cecal valve, for colon problems.

Because you brought it to my attention, I started doing this. I'll do it 3 times daily. I made a commitment so I plan to follow through with it. Press 3 times between the belly button and hip bone area and quickly release, 3x a day.

Post Edited (gerdy) : 5/4/2018 11:16:23 AM (GMT-6)


gerdy
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   Posted 5/4/2018 12:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi MooseSafari,

I'll add probiotics to my list today. I'm fixing to eat, so I'll start that in about an hour.

gerdy
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   Posted 5/4/2018 12:24 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with you WalkingbyFaith, healthy fats are very important.

Notime4lyme
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   Posted 5/4/2018 2:19 PM (GMT -6)   
I also had trouble with constipation. For me, anti-parasite herbs seemed to help. Also, getting enough iodine helped also, I think.

I still have trouble binge eating sometimes. Especially when I start feeling really tired and achy. My binges are a lot worse. 1/2 block of cheese, or 1/4 jar of peanut butter. Or nuts and more nuts. I put off eating because I'm too tired, or I'm busy and then I eat too much at once.

gerdy
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   Posted 5/4/2018 3:04 PM (GMT -6)   
I appreciate that Notime4lyme. That seems to start it for me too, tired, don't want to cook again, not feeling good.

MooseSafari
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   Posted 5/5/2018 12:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes, doing regular stomach massage is really great. I usually lie on my back and press around, trying to figure out where the bowels are stuck. Oftentimes it can be felt where there is more or less pain/tension. Then work the contents mechanically to its end destination.
When you are at it, give the liver some tender massage too, it is tucked under the right ribs. sometimes it can be aching a lot, sometimes it is not sore at all. I guess it is an indication of its current status..

I also have good relief from yoga exercises. I am doing some quite weird postures I dont dare to mention here, but it has become obvious for me at least that turning the body upside-down starts to move the stomach into the right destination, with proper sound effects as a result...

Hope this will help!

mpost
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   Posted 5/5/2018 12:30 AM (GMT -6)   
constipation is a typical neuro lyme symptom. the nerve that moves your bowel becomes damaged and it does not move the bowel as much as it should. hence constipation.

MS constipation comes from similar cause - nerve damage.

probiotics , magnesium oxide, hi doses of vitamin C, xylitol, all have laxative effects

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   Posted 5/5/2018 1:17 AM (GMT -6)   
mpost - are you referring to the Vagus nerve?

I think many of us have that nerve affected and don’t realize it.
When I was having throat issues I think it was the vagus nerve - but didn’t realize it at the time.
I also had some digestion issues - I think they were both a result of Neuro Lyme attacking the vagus nerve
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MooseSafari
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   Posted 5/5/2018 2:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Would like to add Garlic too and spicy herbs. Them have also helped me from time to time...might work!

gerdy
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   Posted 5/6/2018 5:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Notime4lyme,

Last year I was told by a thyroid doctor that I have hypothryoidism (low thyroid), no prescription was recommended; it was mild; so I take kelp on my own.

Might have been a week ago that I took kelp; just took some. Thanks

gerdy
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   Posted 5/6/2018 5:17 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi MooseSafari,

Massage and yoga are excellent. I thought that was my liver under the right ribs. It stings and hurts frequently and I do rub it for relief. Thank you.

gerdy
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   Posted 5/6/2018 5:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you mpost and Girlie for the input on Neuro lyme nerves.

I just googled the one for constipation:
The smooth muscle of the rectum and anal canal is controlled by: parasympathetic nerves from the S2, S3 and S4 levels of the spinal cord, called the pelvic splanchnic nerve (this nerve stimulates your rectum and anal canal to contract or tighten, assisting in defecationis the process of emptying faeces from the
bowel)

I have throat issues too, Girlie. In fact, that's how I found this forum. A couple of months ago, I had gerd symptoms and googled it. I couldn't hardly swallow and began to get anxious, hence "gerdy".

googled:
Vagus nerve, also called X cranial nerve or 10th cranial nerve, longest and most complex of the cranial nerves. The vagus nerve runs from the brain through the face and thorax to the abdomen. It is a mixed nerve that contains parasympathetic fibres

gerdy
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   Posted 5/7/2018 2:25 AM (GMT -6)   
WHAT I'VE LEARNED, SO FAR, for Week 1 of getting rid of lyme:

1. Constipation is the 1st obstacle for me to overcome.

A. Diet (liquids, eat more vegetables, healthy fats, fiber)
B. Magnesium (at least until having regular BM's)
C. Valve correction (press in with fingers on both sides of belly button and release quickly, 3 times
and do this 3x/day)
D. Probiotic, a little
E. Oh, yeah, I forgot, exercise!
F. Stomach massage
G. Additional Supplements: kelp for thyroid, vit D for lack of sun, vit B50 energy,
vit C for inflammation and to protect cells

A. My diet has become cleaner and cleaner this year. I still binge but much healthier than I used to binge. For me, I believe binging is going to happen because of the stress connected with lyme disease. I have to break free from everything once in a while for my own sanity, at least for now.

The Rau diet (The Swiss Secret) is the right diet for me but I'm having too much stress at times following it because it is so clean and varied (my 1st week on this diet).

Breakfast: (same every day this week) alkaline broth, grapefruit, flax oil, oats (gluten free) with 1 date, a small apple, or 1/2 an avocado with evoo & lemon

Lunch: (the biggest meal, with specific vegetables and amounts) lightly cooked or steamed vegetables and a salad plate, both dressed with evoo and lemon or basamic vinegar, 2 Tbsp of beans, topped with 1 Tbsp of seeds (ground so I can digest them) either sunflower or pumpkin seeds

Dinner: alkaline broth, different vegetables and amounts, steamed, evoo with lemon juice or balsamic vinegar

Herbal tea and a snack between meals (for example, 1 carrot or 1 apple, or 1/2 avocado with evoo & lemon, or sliced cucumber, etc.)

My solution when I begin to stress over the variety and amount is to generalize:
breakfast, same every day this week
lunch is bigger with a raw salad plate and steamed or lightly cooked vegetable plate (I put them in a good sized bowl), 2 Tbsp beans, dressed with evoo and either lemon or balsamic vinegar, 1 Tbsp of ground seeds, a little salt and pepper.
dinner several different vegetables steamed (or eat lunch leftovers)
(vegetables and amount can be my choice if I am stressing)

B. I started taking a good magnesium (algae magnesium works best for me at this time) after eating, and also a Vit D because I don't get much sun, and a B50 for converting food to fuel for energy and reduce stress, and add C for inflammation and to protect cells.

C. I started doing the valve correction this week, also. I press in with my fingers 3 times and let off quickly about 3 inches on each side of my belly button going horizontally, and I do this 3 times a day. My right side is a little sore?

D. 1 probiotic pill a day

(E,F,G) Need to add exercise, stomach massage, and kelp for thyroid.

According to Dr. Jernigan, p209 of his book, 1 BM daily is constipation, "...it is very important to have 3-5 bowel movements per day to expel all of the now-liberated toxins from the body. Without good bowel movements, toxins can be stirred up and lodge in new areas of the body. You are constipated if you have one (1) bowel movement per day."

I started my 1st week with constipation, 1 BM on Tuesday and 0 BM's until Saturday, that's 5 days constipated. I had 3 BM's on Saturday at 12:25pm noonish, 1:25pm, and 8:10pm. That's 1 day not constipated.

Will have to see what happens this week.
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