Bristolbotanicals Houttuynia dosage

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mpost
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   Posted 5/3/2018 11:58 AM (GMT -6)   
So I am 8+ months into treatment with antibiotics, mino, rifampin and zithromax, plus lots of supplements.

I am seeing little progress in the last few months and i wanted to add in some herbs. Since my lingering problems seem to be bart related or at least the symptomatology suggests i can get relief with bart herbs.... i was thinking to add in Houttuynia.

So i bought a BIG tincture bottle from Bristolbotanicals, the 250ml one
www.bristolbotanicals.co.uk/pr-1189

But i am not sure how strong this is or how much should i take. It says it is 1:3 but was wondering what do u guys think, i know there are several ppl online that used tinctures from their shop (actually i know of them from this forum) so ... do u have any suggestions ?

i am currently taking 30 drops twice a day on empty stomach, with the rifampin ...

in the fist 24h i had red rashes/stripes appear all over my hands, clearly visible and itchy. These are gone now as i take this for 3 days already.

I know bart needs combination of herbs but remember i am taking mino, rifampin and zithromax already, so it's not like the bart is not having fun time already... so for the moment i just want to limit myself to Houttuynia and i am going to tell u why: It is clinically shown it inhibits mast cells, i found at least two papers about this
/www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bpb/28/10/28_10_1864/_article/-char/ja/
/www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691509001732

so i noticed that people that were treated for lyme and have lingering symptoms like mine: itchy eyes, feet, headaches etc... sometimes are diagnosed years later with MCAS... anyway houtt seems to be a really useful herb for this for multiple reasons, not necessarily related to "killing the bart"... but i just dont know how much to take ...


Thanks

Girlie
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   Posted 5/3/2018 12:14 PM (GMT -6)   
I just wanted to mention something - there was a discussion a couple years ago about herbs and the cytochrome P450 - isn't houttuynia one of the herbs?


I can't remember the details...whether it's an inhibitor or enhancer (can't remember the terminology)

But, Rifampin is also a p450 med.

Your dose is approx. 1/4 tsp twice daily. You might want to add a third dose in the day.
One of buhner's herbalists told a member that 4X daily is even better.

I'll check my WE houttuynia and see what the strength is and post back later.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Post Edited (Girlie) : 5/3/2018 12:18:40 PM (GMT-6)


Girlie
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   Posted 5/3/2018 12:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Forgot that I gave my WE Houttuynia away to someone.... I have a Sage Woman Herbs one and it's
1:5 which is weaker, right?

the second number is the menstruum right?

So 1 part herb to 5 parts alcohol/water.

So your's is stronger..
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

mpost
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   Posted 5/3/2018 12:45 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks girlie. yes 1:3 is stronger than 1:5.

Houtt is inhibitor of p450 rifampin is inducer so the opposite. actually houtt is hepato protective and good for liver injury.

well i dont know, maybe i should take it after im done with abx, i think ill take a break in 10 days. beginning to get stain from this mino.

i cant believe how many abx pills i was able to ingest in the last year, so far with minimal side effects. it's ridiculous , i have drawer full of meds ...

Girlie
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   Posted 5/3/2018 1:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I did take the herbs with the meds for awhile as I didn't know.


I really don't know if it's worth worrying about.....how much are the herbs actually affecting the abx.

IDK
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Szabo246
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   Posted 5/3/2018 1:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I get my herbs from there too including houttuynia, I take 20 drops 2 times a day.

Didn’t even occur to me to look at the strength so thank you!

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/4/2018 8:13 AM (GMT -6)   
I can't help with dosage. A couple of drops is all I can handle.

mpost
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   Posted 5/4/2018 12:47 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
I can't help with dosage. A couple of drops is all I can handle.


wow seriously ? sorry for that. u use tincture from these guys bristolbotanicals ? or just houttuynia tincture in general u cannot handle more than a few drops?

seems i've no problem handling 3x20 drops per day.

Girlie
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   Posted 5/4/2018 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
I took both Woodland Essence and Sage Woman Herbs Houttuynia.

Did full dropperful (1/4 tsp) 3X daily with both brands.

Didn't notice anything happening.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Girlie
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   Posted 5/4/2018 1:24 PM (GMT -6)   
mpost said...
WalkingbyFaith said...
I can't help with dosage. A couple of drops is all I can handle.


wow seriously ? sorry for that. u use tincture from these guys bristolbotanicals ? or just houttuynia tincture in general u cannot handle more than a few drops?

seems i've no problem handling 3x20 drops per day.



It doesn't matter what dosage someone takes...if they are getting a response on a low dose....
The optimum dose will vary.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/4/2018 4:51 PM (GMT -6)   
mpost said...
WalkingbyFaith said...
I can't help with dosage. A couple of drops is all I can handle.


wow seriously ? sorry for that. u use tincture from these guys bristolbotanicals ? or just houttuynia tincture in general u cannot handle more than a few drops?

seems i've no problem handling 3x20 drops per day.


Yes. Seriously. I take houttuynia from Woodland Essence in their IHA Formula. Was taking 6 drops 3x day. After a gut bug fiasco a few weeks ago, I had to stop treatment and slowly start over. Now I'm taking less drops and doses 2x day instead of 3.

I also have straight houtty, which I add in occasionally at 1-2 drops.
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