Dental fillings: composite versus amalgam. The heavy metals topic.

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NotQuiteAntonio
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   Posted 5/3/2018 2:22 PM (GMT -6)   
How do you guys feel about dental fillings? I’ve seen a fair amount of talk on the subject, with the majority saying they’d rather go without, but I need reinforcement, I guess.

Heavy metals are a concern for me. I’m not actively working on them currently, as I fee they’re a couple layers beyond what I’m needing to address first. Though, it’s been the plan to get the fillings I do currently have switched to composites.

Sadly, it turns out I need a couple more. I’m hesitant to get any more metals put into my mouth, but the composite cost isn’t making me too happy right now. I could charge them, maybe. It’s just a headache. I’m out of work, finishing up school, and about to go on a vacation. I’ve drained my family of funds. I hate being in debt.

It’d be more expensive to get the cheaper option NOW, only to replace them later, I realize. Plus, the impact on my health.

Part of me wants to be cheap, take better care of my teeth (though, I brush et floss twice daily, so it must be my technique, so the hygienist thinks), work on my health in other ways, and then hopefully be well enough to not have to worry. It’s not a concern for most people, you know.

This sucks, on top of life’s other stressors. lol,

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   Posted 5/3/2018 2:27 PM (GMT -6)   
NQA - I didn't know they still use the mercury amalgams. I know you're fairly young, so I assumed you wouldn't have any of those.

I guess they're still offering them because of the lower cost?

Any new fillings I would get the composite...I wouldn't add any more mercury amalgams if I were you, especially if you're going to a regular dentist...as you will be exposed to quite a bit.

I doubt if it's your fault (technique) - as some people hardly do anything and they don't get the cavities.

I haven't had a new cavity in the past 20 years....I doubt if I'm brushing/flossing better than you.
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sierraDon
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   Posted 5/3/2018 2:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah, i am not sure if my amalgam fillings are causing problems, but i am getting them removed and replaced with composite. its worth the cost to me now to eliminate them as a risk/stressor.

since i got lyme, i developed mild peridontal disease. with quarterly cleanings, brushing and flossing twice a day, and occassional oil pulling (once a week), the peridontal disease improved.

NotQuiteAntonio
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   Posted 5/3/2018 3:17 PM (GMT -6)   
A quick Google had me believing it’s usually a mixture of metals. Though, I did ask, and she said there is mercury, so we’ve got that one pinned at least.

It is a cost issue, yes. They’re cheaper, and they’re easier to apply, supposedly. Also, she said she would never put them in her back teeth (where mine are), but I forgot to ask why after the cleaning. It was a whole lot of her talking, me with my mouth open. But, she seemed like a real intelligent, genuine woman, so I’m guessing it has some merit in mainstream dental health: amalgam versus composite. .

I brush and floss twice daily as well, as mentioned. She’s adamant it’s my technique. She taught me to “massage” my teeth, rather than brush, which contributes to regression of the gums, she said. There’s a 1mm lip beneath my gums that doesn’t get cleaned well with the usual brushing action. She taught me how to floss properly too, I guess.

Really one of my better, and more informative, dentist visits in memory, aside from the metals and estimated cost of composite fillings.

I’ll just have to think on it. I could put it off ‘til I’m working again, I imagine. I would just charge it, but I’m still on my first credit card, and it’s only got a $500 ceiling. I do not like to use it for amounts like that, there may be an emergency, etc. I’m not asking my grandmother either.

Oh well.

Many thanks.

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   Posted 5/3/2018 7:43 PM (GMT -6)   
many white composites contain metals-they add metals so the filling shows up on xray.
Get a simple blood test- called a Clifford test to see what materials work with your body. Remember
anything the dds places in you will be there 24-7 till the day that you die-make sure it works with your body

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   Posted 5/3/2018 7:59 PM (GMT -6)   
magoo2 said...
many white composites contain metals-they add metals so the filling shows up on xray.
Get a simple blood test- called a Clifford test to see what materials work with your body. Remember
anything the dds places in you will be there 24-7 till the day that you die-make sure it works with your body


My dentist said there are no metals in the composite fillings.
What metals are you saying are in them?
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magoo2
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   Posted 5/3/2018 8:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Ask him for a list of all ingredients. Read the label.
Here is a youtube of dr cook speaking about this subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8L-QFqvw1s

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   Posted 5/3/2018 8:32 PM (GMT -6)   
So there are non metal composites available- but they’re not the standard??

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magoo2
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   Posted 5/3/2018 9:15 PM (GMT -6)   
I have no clue what your dds would consider standard. Asking and reading the label is a reasonable action

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   Posted 5/3/2018 10:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I would only get a composite filling, but they even carry risks. My dentist muscle tests the different kinds she carries to see what is more compatible with her patients body. Still, composites are made with chemicals, some even still have BPA in them. I wish there was a better option.

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   Posted 5/3/2018 10:48 PM (GMT -6)   
countingstarsx said...
I would only get a composite filling, but they even carry risks. My dentist muscle tests the different kinds she carries to see what is more compatible with her patients body. Still, composites are made with chemicals, some even still have BPA in them. I wish there was a better option.


Yes, I did read about the BPA - but what do we do? Do the biological dentist have an alternative?
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NotQuiteAntonio
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   Posted 5/4/2018 12:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Good Lord, nothing is safe. I kind of just want to forget I was here. What would be better for my health, knowing the composites have unsightly additives themselves or lulling myself into blissful ignorance? Stress and negative thoughts are huge.

Truth be told, while I haven’t looked into costs elsewhere, would something likr a biological dentist have a cleaner, still affordable option? I love myself, health is everything, but money is a lot too, and debt sucks.

I just noticed your comment on the technique versus just bodily functions, Girlie. Some people do nothing and have no cavities. It is strange. I used to be that way, actually.

It has to be a microorganism thing. I do the best I can with dental hygiene, don’t eat sweets, etc. Maybe an essential oil rinse or something would help...

Anyway, love you guys.
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   Posted 5/4/2018 12:33 AM (GMT -6)   
don't get amalgams, they do too much damage

I had mine removed and replaced but I had an extra expense because I'm also allergic to chemicals. There is a test that you can request the dentist to do but it costs extra. You might not have the money for that at this time. It was at least 200. Anyway, it's called the Clifford Test. The report I received was "Clifford Materials Reactivity Testing Report Dental Panel". My dentist had to send off a bridge to be reworked in material that was compatible with me.

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   Posted 5/4/2018 12:54 AM (GMT -6)   
NotQuiteAntonio said...
Good Lord, nothing is safe. I kind of just want to forget I was here. What would be better for my health, knowing the composites have unsightly additives themselves or lulling myself into blissful ignorance? Stress and negative thoughts are huge.

Truth be told, while I haven’t looked into costs elsewhere, would something likr a biological dentist have a cleaner, still affordable option? I love myself, health is everything, but money is a lot too, and debt sucks.

I just noticed your comment on the technique versus just bodily functions, Girlie. Some people do nothing and have no cavities. It is strange. I used to be that way, actually.

It has to be a microorganism thing. I do the best I can with dental hygiene, don’t eat sweets, etc. Maybe an essential oil rinse or something would help...

Anyway, love you guys.


Antonio - sometimes i make myself crazy with the worry about all the 'stuff' - but as you said "stress and negative thoughts are huge". I made a decision to not have my mercury amalgams removed and replaced (until they fail...one by one) and now that the decision is made...I'm not panicking about it anymore.
I've gone down some rabbit holes in the past...and trying not to do that anymore - even went online to see if I could purchase some EMF blocking paint for our bedroom wall.....and my husband (bless his heart) said he'd paint the wall if I wanted him to...

RE: biological dentist. I would think they use a composite that doesn't contain any metals.
It's out of the question for me...the nearest biological dentist is about 2 1/2 hour drive plus a 1 1/2 hour ferry ride away. I've got a few amalgams...so it would be a few trips - including hotels...etc..etc.
Can't afford it. (The cost of removal and replacement with a biological dentist is $$$ and it won't be covered with my insurance)

You've only got a couple,right? I would do the composites if I were you. No point in putting more mercury amalgams in your mouth. (even if it means using your charge card)

Since you're not removing old amalgams...then a regular dentist should be fine - don't you think?
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   Posted 5/4/2018 4:47 AM (GMT -6)   
I have like 6 metal fillings and microscopic cracking in my teeth. The dentist said that "every bite of food is like a splint in a log that is being chopped, making the cracks wider and wider." hooray!
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   Posted 5/4/2018 6:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey its a bummer when you discovery that your dental work may be holding back your health. But its also great news-you can fix this and maybe regain your health. This may be the reason or a reason why you are sick in the first place. There are plenty of people who regain their health when they fix their dental-that may happen to you if you fix the dental.
Remember there are docs that start treating lyme by removing metals in mouth.

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   Posted 5/4/2018 7:54 AM (GMT -6)   
I personally would not have amalgams put in my mouth. Mercury is neurotoxic. I believe it is a cofactor for those who develop Lyme ALS. I'm guessing she wouldn't put them in back teeth due to the force of chewing - probably releases more metal. What is the cost difference?

I thought my fillings didn't show up on xray but I'm certain my crowns do. I have had lots of issues with crowns. My nerves literally take 6 months or more to settle down. I think that's an issue and I'm going to explore the blood test above.

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   Posted 5/4/2018 8:17 AM (GMT -6)   
No more mercury amalgams.

I'm about to have all 14 of my amalgams removed - 8 teeth involved. If I get them done in quads, it will cost me $6,056. If I get it done in 2 visits, it will be $700 less. The dentist charges $350 each time for room set up as they basically treat it like a HAZMAT area.

Some others mentioned Clifford testing. I got testing with Biocomp Labs. There is a difference between their testing methods. You can read about it here. The Biocomp test result was 50 pages long. That's how many dental brands/products they test for.

/iaomt.org/practical-guide-compatibility-testing-dental-materials/

I saw the biological dentist Wednesday and we went over the test results. Thankfully, there were options that he already had that were in my least reactive lists. There were many products that I was reactive to, so like others said you can still have immune reactions to other dental materials. The dentist did mention one particular company whose products he has and will likely use. He said that company was one of the cleanest and did not use BPA.

One thing I noticed on my test results was that they had chromium, cobalt, and quinone in the list of least reactive materials. I had allergy patch tests done in 2009 and tested positive for allergies/sensitivities of skin reactions to those materials and had a known allergic reaction to a quinoline drug in the past. Those tests are blood tests that test for serum compatibility. They are not infallible. If you have ever had other allergy testing or known allergies, you will need to double check any test results. I told the dentist about all that and he marked those materials in red and will double check the specs on the materials he plans to use to make sure they don't have those in them.

I tried to start a post yesterday about what to do AFTER amalgam removal but my phone battery died. I'll be posting that soon. Please be on the lookout for it. I need a lot of advice and coaching on that.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 5/4/2018 7:22:47 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 5/4/2018 8:26 AM (GMT -6)   
gerdy said...
don't get amalgams, they do too much damage

I had mine removed and replaced but I had an extra expense because I'm also allergic to chemicals. There is a test that you can request the dentist to do but it costs extra. You might not have the money for that at this time. It was at least 200. Anyway, it's called the Clifford Test. The report I received was "Clifford Materials Reactivity Testing Report Dental Panel". My dentist had to send off a bridge to be reworked in material that was compatible with me.


gerdy,

Did you have the amalgams replaced and then do the Clifford testing afterward and discovered you were reacting to materials in a bridge?

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   Posted 5/4/2018 8:29 AM (GMT -6)   
antonio,

The testing itself is quite expensive. I would ask for the specs on the materials. Maybe you could look up a biological dentist on the IAOMT site and call them and ask about the composite in question and the manufacturer. If you need me to, I can call the dentist office and ask which company it was that my dentist said was one of the cleaner, BPA free companies.

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   Posted 5/4/2018 2:44 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith,

Yes, exactly, the dentist replaced the amalgams, and was working on the bridges (I have 2, one on each side bottom jaw). The dentist muscle tested me before doing any work at the beginning of the appointment each time, and cilantro was also used.

This is when I found out I had lyme in 2009. I was very weak. He stopped the procedure. I'm not clear on the sequence of events with the bridge. He might have put it in and then removed it on the same visit.

Over the weekend before the appointment, I was bit by a tick behind my right knee and I told him. There wasn't a rash but it was a fairly large size tick.

He ordered the Clifford Test that I had requested the very 1st day. At that time, he told me I didn't need it. I guess I looked healthy on the outside and he dismissed the thought which is the case throughout my life. I looked healthy on the outside and mainstream doctors wouldn't entertain the thought that I was sick on the inside. He's not mainstream, so it's fortunate that he did the muscle testing.

Anyway, test came back; allergic to 18 chemical groups. I can list them if you like. Just let me know.

From that point, I went to a naturopath and was tested positive for lyme, Borrelia burgdorferi, Bartonella, and Babesia. I was told that I've had 2 of those for a very, very long time.

The dentist had already replaced the fillings and was working on the bridge. Only the bridge was replaced.

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   Posted 5/4/2018 5:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Antonio,

I've read on the IAOMT site that sometimes they can treat cavities with just ozone and no fillings are needed.

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   Posted 5/4/2018 5:54 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
Antonio,

I've read on the IAOMT site that sometimes they can treat cavities with just ozone and no fillings are needed.


But then doesn't the cavity just collect food and then rot again?
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   Posted 5/4/2018 6:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
WalkingbyFaith said...
Antonio,

I've read on the IAOMT site that sometimes they can treat cavities with just ozone and no fillings are needed.


But then doesn't the cavity just collect food and then rot again?


I have no idea. I assume they could only do that with small caries.

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   Posted 5/5/2018 11:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you, everyone. You're appreciated, even if I cannot respond to everyone.

Like much else in life, I'm just going to try and do my best, which means getting the composite fillings offered to me by this particular dentist. Call it rash, but I won't think of any ill ingredients. Of course, it'd be ideal, I don't think it's possible to stay too far from toxins or potentially hazardous chemicals in this age. In lesser amounts, certainly. Though, that typically involves time, effort, money, or all of them + the in between.

I'm spread so thin with all my other wants and needs in life, not just as far as Lyme/co are concerned that I can't chase perfection in any one category. Not that I'm against it. I wish I had the resources of body, mind, and pocket to do everything right. But, it's just not feasible.

They're a better alternative than mercury, I hope. That's the best I can do.

I'll definitely ask about the ingredients, if possible, and see what my options would be elsewhere.

I'm pretty pissed off, though. I just noticed a chip in one of my front, lower teeth, and I'm wondering if it could be a coincidence that it happened the day after I went to the dentist. I hate to point blame, but it's just strange.
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