Took 4 months of artesunate

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Szabo246
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   Posted 5/5/2018 3:44 AM (GMT -6)   
And my doc doesn’t want me to continue on it. Is there a herb I should be using to cover babs other than crypto and sida?

goshawk
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   Posted 5/5/2018 4:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Well , for myself I wouldn't leave Crypto out. Are you allergic or having issues with it?


This is Buhners protocol for Babesia taken from His book "Natural treatments for Lyme co infections" from p.94

All herbals Should be started at a low dose and one at a time to see how you react.

Check for all side effects and contradictions as I am not a medical professional.



Bidens pilosa 1/2 tsp. 3X daily,

Sida acuta 1/2 tsp 3x daily

Cryptolepis sanguinolenta, 1/2 tsp 3x daily

Artemisinin 100-200 mg 3x daily

Salvia miltiorrhiza(for immune system)1/2 tsp 3x daily,

Milk thistle seed, standardized, capsules 600-1200 mg 3x day ,

L-arginine, 2000 mg 3x daily

Riboflavin(B 2),30 -40 mg 3x daily

Ashwagandha ,1/2 tsp 3x daily(may cause drowsiness)

Tincture combo of Panax ginseng, licorice, Schisandra chinensis(equal parts of each),1/2 tsp 3X daily.

Girlie
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   Posted 5/5/2018 10:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Szabo246 said...
And my doc doesn’t want me to continue on it. Is there a herb I should be using to cover babs other than crypto and sida?


Why doesn’t he want you to continue with it?

How about switching to pulsing Artemisinin then?

Can’t you take Cryptolepis?
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Szabo246
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   Posted 5/5/2018 3:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi both, sorry my message wasn’t very clear, I am taking crypto and sida, I guess what I meant is whether there is a herb that would substitute the artesunate? Or do I even need that?

Honestly I don’t know why he wants me to stop he originally prescribed 12 weeks and then when I was running out said he will do another 4 weeks. I never questioned it and from what I read people aren’t on it too long... but I could be wrong?!

Girlie
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   Posted 5/5/2018 3:25 PM (GMT -6)   
You can order Artemisinin online - maybe you could do that...and do a pulsed approach (you shouldn't be on it for a long stretch)

You could do 3 days on and 11 off....or something similar.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Szabo246
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   Posted 5/5/2018 4:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry for this really silly question but artemisinin is different to artesunate?

Do you know why you shouldn’t be on it for long?

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/5/2018 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Please see what Buhner has to say about this in the links below, especially the 2nd one.

buhnerhealinglyme.com/herbs/whole-herb-dosage-for-artemisinin/

buhnerhealinglyme.com/basics/artemesinin-with-iv-cefotaxime/

Girlie
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   Posted 5/5/2018 5:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Szabo246 said...
Sorry for this really silly question but artemisinin is different to artesunate?

Do you know why you shouldn’t be on it for long?


Yes they are different - there are several derivatives/constituents not a silly question

Artemisia - whole herb
Artemisinin - active constituent of artemisia
Artesunate - even stronger than artemisinin
Dihydroartemisinin - stronger


Artemether- Lumefantrine is a combo med that some llmd’s prescribe.

I think only Artemisia and Artemisinin are the only ones you can get without a prescription.

Although there was a Zhang product that contained either the Artesunate or dihydroartemisinin


What you’re taking is Pharma right?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Girlie
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   Posted 5/5/2018 5:13 PM (GMT -6)   
If you’re on artemisinin for too long - your intestine can create an enzyme to destroy it - rendering it useless.

The Drs disagree on how long that is

LLMD MR says 3 days

I know some llmd’s prescribe it for a week straight
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Girlie
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   Posted 5/5/2018 5:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Re- Buhner - a previous forum mod wrote that he was recommending Artemisinin again in his newer coinfection book




I don’t have that book


I think the two excerpts from the healing Lyme site are from 2012. (the ones WalkingbyFaith posted)


/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3495891


/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3585931
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Post Edited (Girlie) : 5/5/2018 6:07:19 PM (GMT-6)


Szabo246
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   Posted 5/5/2018 6:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks girlie - that’s a scary side effect! Yes I took Pharma.

4 months straight

Thanks for the links WBF I will have a read.

Post Edited (Szabo246) : 5/5/2018 5:03:13 PM (GMT-6)


Szabo246
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   Posted 5/5/2018 6:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Just re- read your message again girlie, the artemisim is useless not the intestines right?! It’s past midnight here think I better 😴!

Post Edited (Szabo246) : 5/5/2018 5:47:34 PM (GMT-6)


WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/5/2018 6:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Re- Buhner - a previous forum mod wrote that he was recommending Artemisinin again in his newer coinfection book

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3475655https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3475655

Girlie,

When I click on the link, it just takes me to the home page for the Lyme forum.

I don’t have that book


I think the two excerpts from the healing Lyme site are from 2012.

Girlie
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   Posted 5/5/2018 6:59 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
Girlie said...
Re- Buhner - a previous forum mod wrote that he was recommending Artemisinin again in his newer coinfection book

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3475655https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3475655

Girlie,

When I click on the link, it just takes me to the home page for the Lyme forum.

I don’t have that book


I think the two excerpts from the healing Lyme site are from 2012.


oops - I'll try to find it again...lol
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Psilociraptor
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   Posted 5/5/2018 7:06 PM (GMT -6)   
"Woodland essence is beginning to carry an herb i have been interested in for a long time, Nauclea latifolia, from South Africa. It is a broad spectrum antibiotic and very specific for malaria and babesia. It has a long history of use in southern Africa and it appears to be very effective. The dosage range is the same as cryptolepis. They have not listed this on their site yet, you have to email them and ask if they are offering it for sale yet, it may only be by request at this point."

New babesia herb that buhners mentioned on his Facebook this week. there are plenty a d I meant PLENTY that have been used for protozoa like malaria and babesia. Malaria is endemic to many parts of the world and particularly regions with rich histories of herbal medicine so keep digging. Maybe look into alchornea as well. That's another buhners herb and I want to say malaria was one use. But can t remember

Girlie
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   Posted 5/5/2018 7:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I removed that link and posted two new ones...re: Buhner and Artemisinin instead of Arteisia - whole herb.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Girlie
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   Posted 5/5/2018 7:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Szabo246 said...
Just re- read your message again girlie, the artemisim is useless not the intestines right?! It’s past midnight here think I better 😴!



lol - it renders the Art useless - not your intestines.... shocked
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Rikky1
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   Posted 5/6/2018 12:36 AM (GMT -6)   
i've been taking artemisinin pulsed for over a year now no issues.

i've graduated off the babesia focused protocol of late and am still doing a week of some babs meds to ensure it stays on the floor. artemisinin and crypto are my main weapons.
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