Urgent: Anyone w/ Lyme/CO's been helped by Sunshine Clinic?

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julala
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   Posted 5/8/2018 12:09 AM (GMT -6)   
I emailed the Sunshine Clinic in Knoxville, TN, my Lyme story as I was told to in October and never heard back from them. They called me today to say they have an opening in two weeks. They had put me on a waiting list in October but never told me, and never told me anything about how he treats Lyme. Someone I am acquainted with said her aunt had Lyme, was treated by him and now she's fine. And people come from all over the world to see him for Lyme. His name is Dr. Barry Sunshine. He doesn't treat w/ abx, so it's ok to post his name.

He's holistic chiropractor. I am finding a lot of great testimonials online about how he's helped people, but nothing about Lyme. Just wondering if anyone has been to him for tick-borne illnesses. Please let me know. He is really helping a lot of people with allergies and pain, and supposedly Lyme. But he is charging me $1500 for four days of visits. I think that his pricing in unethical, but people say (on FB and in testimonials) that he's "anointed" and a miracle-worker. His testing techniques are suspect, as are all holistic chiropractors, I suppose. He is certainly overcharging Lyme people. But if it can help...

Anyway, I have to decide by tomorrow morning. Please let me know if you or someone you know has been helped by him. Thank you!!

https://www.sunshineintegratedhealthsystem.com/testimonials.html

http://www.sunshinehealthclinic.com/

Post Edited (julala) : 5/7/2018 11:12:33 PM (GMT-6)


Girlie
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   Posted 5/8/2018 1:41 AM (GMT -6)   
I haven't heard of the Sunshine Clinc.


I would want to know what the treatment actually is.

I think if he was that successful treating lyme, we'd have heard about it??

You may get some responses from other members early tomorrow morning..but there's usually not many people on this late.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Loutucky
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   Posted 5/8/2018 6:37 AM (GMT -6)   
I am going to the Sunshine Clinic in 6 weeks. He does Kinesiology and Cold Laser for all the infections. The Facebook site that discusses this clinic simply provides testimonials from people who have had treatment there whether they were helped tremendously, just a little bit or not at all. The New England Lyme Laser Center in Massachusetts also does Cold Laser but for lyme disease only.

They want people to know that if you have been sick a long time and have many issues that it may take several visits but that the doctor is dedicated to finding out how to help you. Patients hear of miracles and then get upset because they are not cured in 4 days. I am going with reasonable expectations with a 20 year disease of multiple infections and viruses. Total system failure. Hoping and praying he can help me.

The first visit is 4 days for $1500. Followup visits are much cheaper from what I have been told because it may only consist of one or two days of treatment depending on your needs and because they are familiar with your case. I will say that one of my lyme doctors charges $250 for 45 minutes. Another charges $420 for 1.5 hours.

Apparently, this doctor is training other chiropractors with his protocol in hopes of being able to help more people. I think a lady in Vancouver, WA has trained under the doctor and is now seeing patients and doing his treatment.

I wish you the best of luck with your decision. I haven't been yet so I can't comment on the actual protocols. They are now saying that the appointment wait list is up through early 2019.

Post Edited (Loutucky) : 5/8/2018 3:01:15 PM (GMT-6)


julala
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   Posted 5/8/2018 10:06 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
I haven't heard of the Sunshine Clinc.


I would want to know what the treatment actually is.

I think if he was that successful treating lyme, we'd have heard about it??

You may get some responses from other members early tomorrow morning..but there's usually not many people on this late.


Thanks, Girlie!

julala
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   Posted 5/8/2018 10:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Loutucky said...
I am going to the Sunshine Clinic in 6 weeks. He does Kinesiology and Cold Laser for all the infections. The Facebook site that discusses this clinic simply provides testimonials from people who have had treatment there whether they were helped tremendously, just a little bit or not at all. The New England Lyme Laser Center in Massachusetts also does Cold Laser but for lyme disease only.

They want people to know that if you have been sick a long time and have many issues that it may take several visits but that the doctor is dedicated to finding out how to help you. Patients hear of miracles and then get upset because they are not cured in 4 days. I am going with reasonable expectations with a 20 year disease of multiple infections and viruses. Total system failure. Hoping and praying he can help me.

The first visit is 4 days for $1500. Followup visits are much cheaper from what I have been told because it may only consist of one or two days of treatment depending on your needs and because they are familiar with your case. I will say that one of my lyme doctors charges $250 for 45 minutes. Another charges $420 for 1.5 hours.

Apparently, this doctor is training other chiropractors with his protocol in hopes of being able to help more people. I think a lady in Vancouver, WA has trained under Dr. Sunshine and is now seeing patients and doing his treatment.

I wish you the best of luck with your decision. I haven't been yet so I can't comment on the actual protocols. They are now saying that the appointment wait list is up through early 2019.
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Oh, Wow, thanks, Loutucky! Do you know what his "success rate" is with Lyme or how long he's been treating it? I haven't found any Sunshine testimonials online about Lyme, except for one Instagram post from blazesomerflowers: https://www.instagram.com/p/BX5sHmSHssf/. If you know of any, can you please send me a link? Thank you so much for posting this!! I'm glad someone else out there is going to him.
Bitten 2013 & 2014
Diagnosed w/ Lyme 10/2015. W. Blot -- CDC Neg., IGenex positive.
Diagnosed w/ Babesiosis 10/2015 -- Pathgroup titer of 1:256.
Doxy 12/2015, 2 wks.; 3/2016, 3 wks.
IV Rocephin 1/2016, 12 days.
Colloidal Silver + DesBio homeopathy Lyme & Babesia 3/2016-5/2016
Minocycline 5/2016, 9 days.
Amoxicillin 3/2017, 3 wks?
On 37.5 mg Seroquel and 94 mcg Levothyroxine.

Loutucky
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   Posted 5/8/2018 11:05 AM (GMT -6)   
julala, the Facebook page is called Lyme Disease Healed. It is mainly about the Sunshine Clinic but people are allowed to post about any clinic they went to if it offered alternative treatment and they were happy or unhappy with it.

You have to keep scrolling to find testimonials. They are not in any particular order and they are both positive and negative about the clinic.

They ask that you request appointment by email only and you do not really know if they get it or not. This upsets people. They schedule the appointment in order of receiving them and contact you when your name comes up. The clinic was overran and they have to keep openings for their return patient followup visits. They do make exceptions for local people that can come in quickly when they have a sudden cancellation. Most patients apparently are out of state.

I requested an appointment in August and I'll admit I was anxious about not hearing anything so I continued searching out treatments with my current doctors. Then out of the blue, they called me in February for a June appointment .

Hope that helps because I really don't know anything about the clinic except for what I have read. No personal experience yet.

Post Edited (Loutucky) : 5/8/2018 2:51:35 PM (GMT-6)


Notime4lyme
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   Posted 5/8/2018 11:44 AM (GMT -6)   
One time I was talking with someone who said they heard of people getting really good results with a clinic, but they couldn't remember the name. I think they were talking about this one, but I'm not sure.

julala
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   Posted 5/8/2018 1:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Loutucky said...
julala, the Facebook page is called Lyme Disease Healed and the moderator is Lindsay Madison. It is mainly about the Sunshine Clinic but people are allowed to post about any clinic they went to if it offered alternative treatment and they were happy or unhappy with it.

You have to keep scrolling to find testimonials. They are not in any particular order and they are both positive and negative about the clinic.

They ask that you request appointment by email only and you do not really know if they get it or not. This upsets people. They schedule the appointment in order of receiving them and contact you when your name comes up. The clinic was overran and they have to keep openings for their return patient followup visits. They do make exceptions for local people that can come in quickly when they have a sudden cancellation. Most patients apparently are out of state.

I requested an appointment in August and I'll admit I was anxious about not hearing anything so I continued searching out treatments with my current doctors. Then out of the blue, they called me in February for a June appointment .

Hope that helps because I really don't know anything about the clinic except for what I have read. No personal experience yet.


Thanks, Lou!! I never would have found that Facebook page if you hadn't told me about it. Yes, they called me out of the blue like you, for an appt. in 2 weeks! I will let you know how it goes. I think I am going to go.

julala
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   Posted 5/8/2018 1:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Loutucky said...
julala, the Facebook page is called Lyme Disease Healed and the moderator is Lindsay Madison. It is mainly about the Sunshine Clinic but people are allowed to post about any clinic they went to if it offered alternative treatment and they were happy or unhappy with it.

You have to keep scrolling to find testimonials. They are not in any particular order and they are both positive and negative about the clinic.

They ask that you request appointment by email only and you do not really know if they get it or not. This upsets people. They schedule the appointment in order of receiving them and contact you when your name comes up. The clinic was overran and they have to keep openings for their return patient followup visits. They do make exceptions for local people that can come in quickly when they have a sudden cancellation. Most patients apparently are out of state.

I requested an appointment in August and I'll admit I was anxious about not hearing anything so I continued searching out treatments with my current doctors. Then out of the blue, they called me in February for a June appointment .

Hope that helps because I really don't know anything about the clinic except for what I have read. No personal experience yet.


I see Dee Anna is one of the moderators, and she works at Sunshine Clinic. Interesting!

Girlie
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   Posted 5/8/2018 1:24 PM (GMT -6)   
julala said...
Loutucky said...
julala, the Facebook page is called Lyme Disease Healed and the moderator is Lindsay Madison. It is mainly about the Sunshine Clinic but people are allowed to post about any clinic they went to if it offered alternative treatment and they were happy or unhappy with it.

You have to keep scrolling to find testimonials. They are not in any particular order and they are both positive and negative about the clinic.

They ask that you request appointment by email only and you do not really know if they get it or not. This upsets people. They schedule the appointment in order of receiving them and contact you when your name comes up. The clinic was overran and they have to keep openings for their return patient followup visits. They do make exceptions for local people that can come in quickly when they have a sudden cancellation. Most patients apparently are out of state.

I requested an appointment in August and I'll admit I was anxious about not hearing anything so I continued searching out treatments with my current doctors. Then out of the blue, they called me in February for a June appointment .

Hope that helps because I really don't know anything about the clinic except for what I have read. No personal experience yet.


I see Dee Anna is one of the moderators, and she works at Sunshine Clinic. Interesting!


Hmmm ... interesting indeed!
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

1000Daisies
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   Posted 5/8/2018 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
I have gone to alternative medical practitioners who have helped many others. But yet, they failed to help my kids in any meaningful manner. I often wonder how they helped so many others but yet not us.

The important thing is whether they help you or not! Honestly, $1500 isn't that much compared to many of the other treatments that we've personally tried (or not tried). If it works, it's well worth every cent. If it doesn't, it was a very expensive experimental failure. And you really don't know until you do it for yourself.
(BUT I do totally agree - some practitioners are seriously over charging for their "services", and it is greatly disappointing.)

PLEASE reply back and give us an update. Many times, people go and improve (or perhaps not improve), but people don't post back. This would be excellent information to share with others if you are so inclined to do so!

I truly wish you the best that it helps the both of you! Positive vibes sent your way!
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 5/8/2018 2:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...

I think if he was that successful treating lyme, we'd have heard about it??


I kind of agree with this, but I also kind of don't either. LOL

My functional medicine LLMD is well known in my neck of the woods, and people travel far (out of state) to see him. He gets the "puzzler" and difficult cases that the regular doctors fail to help (like so many of us). And yet, I never see him mentioned on this board, and he has helped many people.

I think sometimes we focus too much on this board on the "big names", but there are other doctors who fly under the radar who are more than capable (and affordable) and who have helped many others.
The problem is finding them! smile

Having said that, having been through this for several years now, I tend to be more skeptical than others at this point too!
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

Girlie
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   Posted 5/8/2018 3:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, 1000Daisies...true.

One of the reasons we don't discuss Dr's is because we can't identify them...just initials...we're wanting to keep them anonymous.
(except for the well-known ones - like Horotwiz/Jemsek)
It would be a lot easier if we could use their full names.

But, with clinics...we don't pause to mention the names...ie we talk about Hansa centre , and others on here .


I do think that if there was a solid alternative treatment that had really good success, we'd all hear about it.

Even Yolanda with all her money couldn't find the magic bullet.

If I had the cash, would I go to a clinic? Heck yes...sign me up for the Hansa center. Even if I didn't have the cash...I'd find it somehow IF the Hansa centre was a sure thing...or close to a sure thing...I'd be there in a heartbeat. But to spend $10,000 PLUS for a week or two and it being 50/50 - that's not good enough for me
...or the hyperthermia...if there were enough successes vs failures...I'd most likely do that, too.

It's crazy that we really haven't progressed much in the past 4 years...since I've been on this merry-go-round.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

julala
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   Posted 5/10/2018 10:47 AM (GMT -6)   
I am going there for four days next week -- Mon. through Thurs. I read a bunch of glowing reviews on their private FB page, specifically about Lyme. So, I am going for it. I will let you know how it goes!! Based on what other people have said, it may take time and a few to several follow-ups.

Girlie
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   Posted 5/10/2018 11:37 AM (GMT -6)   
julala said...
I am going there for four days next week -- Mon. through Thurs. I read a bunch of glowing reviews on their private FB page, specifically about Lyme. So, I am going for it. I will let you know how it goes!! Based on what other people have said, it may take time and a few to several follow-ups.


Good luck, julala. Please do let us know how it goes.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Loutucky
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   Posted 5/10/2018 2:53 PM (GMT -6)   
julaia, hoping you have a successful visit and healing.

julala
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   Posted 5/10/2018 5:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for the well-wishes, Loutucky and Girlie!! I will keep you posted.
Bitten 2013 & 2014
Diagnosed w/ Lyme 10/2015. W. Blot -- CDC Neg., IGenex positive.
Diagnosed w/ Babesiosis 10/2015 -- Pathgroup titer of 1:256.
Doxy 12/2015, 2 wks.; 3/2016, 3 wks.
IV Rocephin 1/2016, 12 days.
Colloidal Silver + DesBio homeopathy Lyme & Babesia 3/2016-5/2016
Minocycline 5/2016, 9 days.
Amoxicillin 3/2017, 3 wks?
On 37.5 mg Seroquel and 94 mcg Levothyroxine.

Ashleyann82587
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   Posted 6/18/2018 12:57 PM (GMT -6)   
What did you think? How are you feeling? 🙏🏻

julala
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   Posted 6/22/2018 2:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, Ashleyann, I posted a reply but put it in a new thread by accident. I will find it and post it here. Thanks for asking! In short, I am doing better but not sure I can attribute it to my visits w/ Dr. Sunshine.

julala
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   Posted 6/23/2018 2:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, everyone.

Sorry it's taken me so long to post this. I am always overwhelmed, and I am not even working. I am not sure where to put this post. I hope this is attached to the previous conversation I started about Sunshine Clinic in Knoxville.

Anyway, I am not sure what to make of the visits. I went for the 4-day Lyme treatment for $1,500. I can't really give details of the four days because there is just too much to tell. Dr. Sunshine is a very kind and caring man. He spent 1 1/2 hours with me minimum each day. He did chiropractic adjustments on and lots of muscle testing to diagnose and fix problems he found. He had me cold lasered twice for borellia infections he had found using the muscle testing. I did a ionizing foot bath one day. I had a Zyto test and a HeartQuest test done. He didn't use these in my treatment. They were used to prescribe homeopathic stuff and some supplements, all of which they sell there. Based on muscle testing he said my body also needed iodine and acetylcholine. I told him of my eye photosensitivity, and he said I needed vitamin A. I've been taking that and it's doing nothing. The eye photosensitivity is from the Lyme and not a vitamin A deficiency, as he seemed to believe. I am still skeptical, but I am willing to continue giving him a shot if I can raise the money to go back.

He wanted to know my every symptom, and worked on all of them every day, especially the skin photosensitivity. He did a lot of muscle testing with various substances to see I was reacting to any of them. He figured out that my skin was reacting to chymerase (?). I can't remember the word exactly. But he said he fixed it with muscle testing.

I have to check with a doctor first about taking large doses of iodine because I have long-standing hypothyroidism. I have started taking a low dose -- 150 mcg of sea kelp iodine. I just upped it to 300 mcg today. I think it's helping my low body temp. but not sure. Something is making my temp go more toward normal, but it it still low.

From Sunshine Clinic, I am also taking these homeopathics from FuturePlex: Nu-DRCTN and Protomer, which I have yet to start.

So, I don't know. Let me know what you think. And Loutucky, please let me know of your experience there!

I recently started taking teasel root tincture under my herbalist's guidance. I hope it helps. Also taking lion's mane for my neuropathy. And licorice root powder and bupleurum root powder.

Thanks for reading this and for your support.
Julala
Bitten 2013 & 2014
Diagnosed w/ Lyme 10/2015. W. Blot -- CDC Neg., IGenex positive.
Diagnosed w/ Babesiosis 10/2015 -- Pathgroup titer of 1:256.
Doxy 12/2015, 2 wks.; 3/2016, 3 wks.
IV Rocephin 1/2016, 12 days.
Colloidal Silver + DesBio homeopathy Lyme & Babesia 3/2016-5/2016
Minocycline 5/2016, 9 days.
Amoxicillin 3/2017, 3 wks?
On 37.5 mg Seroquel and 94 mcg Levothyroxine.

julala
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   Posted 6/23/2018 2:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Ashleyann82587 said...
What did you think? How are you feeling? 🙏🏻


I re-posted my post above.

Post Edited (julala) : 6/26/2018 3:57:40 PM (GMT-6)


Loutucky
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   Posted 6/26/2018 8:34 AM (GMT -6)   
julala, I just got back from the clinic. He is a very compassionate man who truly wants to help. I've been to so many doctors and tried so many different modalities of treatment that I am a very skeptical person too. I am going back because 4 days are not going to cure me and I've had this since 2001. Just being realistic and I felt he cared about me but I know my feelings alone can't make this work.

He is a chiropractor who does kinesiology with muscle testing, physical adjustments and cold laser treatments. He only lasers what he finds active that day to get the right strain of bacteria. He believes one of the problems in healing is that the bacteria activates so many viruses in the body. I was told that I was overran with viruses which he chases to deactivate as they move.

I knew I had pseudomonas, lyme, bartonella and babesia microti and duncani. He found two strains of lyme, babesia microti, nematodes and pseudomonas the first day and lasered. The second day he found nematodes, pseudomonas and one strain of lyme. The third day he found bartonella henselae, two strains of lyme and relapsing fever (borrelia miyamotoi). I have tested negative for relapsing fever twice through Igenex. This may explain my symptoms every 4 days for 3 days for the last two years. My LLMD believes it is either bart or babesia.

The fourth day I had nematodes, two stains of lyme and Ehrlichia which he doesn't see often in his practice.
He explained that this is like an onion and they run, hide and pop out. He did not have the specific vial strains of Ehrlichia to test me with but hopes to get those soon in the future so I was lasered for general ehrlichia.

So I learned I may also have Relapsing Fever and Ehrlichia.

I have been taking lots of Buhner's bart, babs and neuro-lyme herbals for 9 months. I was muscle tested for those and very unhappy that I was told most of those don't work for me. They won't hurt me but that they are not really helping me. The "good" ones for me were Cryptolepis, Red Sage, Chinese Cat's Claw, Chinese Skullcap and especially Ashwagandha. I am to scared to just stop my bart herbs until my next visit. Not sure what I will do.

I was going to sleep every night at 7 p.m. and getting up at 10 p.m and then going back to bed at 11:30 p.m. and waking up at throughout the night. I was told I had adrenal problems and that he would reset my cortisol clock. After tapping, touching and pushing it was done. You literally could hear my husband's eyes roll and I was so embarrassed. Well it may be psychological but I have been going to bed around 11 p.m. and only getting up once.

I was put on Vitamin D, a B-complex, molybdenum, acetylcholine, three homeopathic tinctures, a topical essential oil for biofilm and mushroom support for immune modulation.

The Lyme Laser Center of New England has a 12 week protocol for lasering but I think it's only for lyme. There are some success stories about that place.

Still continuing my battle.

Post Edited (Loutucky) : 6/26/2018 8:16:29 AM (GMT-6)


julala
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   Posted 6/26/2018 4:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the detailed description of your visit!! I want to go back too, but don't have the money yet. Good luck! Please keep us posted!!

julala
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   Posted 6/26/2018 4:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Loutucky said...
julala, I just got back from the clinic. He is a very compassionate man who truly wants to help. I've been to so many doctors and tried so many different modalities of treatment that I am a very skeptical person too. I am going back because 4 days are not going to cure me and I've had this since 2001. Just being realistic and I felt he cared about me but I know my feelings alone can't make this work.

He is a chiropractor who does kinesiology with muscle testing, physical adjustments and cold laser treatments. He only lasers what he finds active that day to get the right strain of bacteria. He believes one of the problems in healing is that the bacteria activates so many viruses in the body. I was told that I was overran with viruses which he chases to deactivate as they move.

I knew I had pseudomonas, lyme, bartonella and babesia microti and duncani. He found two strains of lyme, babesia microti, nematodes and pseudomonas the first day and lasered. The second day he found nematodes, pseudomonas and one strain of lyme. The third day he found bartonella henselae, two strains of lyme and relapsing fever (borrelia miyamotoi). I have tested negative for relapsing fever twice through Igenex. This may explain my symptoms every 4 days for 3 days for the last two years. My LLMD believes it is either bart or babesia.

The fourth day I had nematodes, two stains of lyme and Ehrlichia which he doesn't see often in his practice.
He explained that this is like an onion and they run, hide and pop out. He did not have the specific vial strains of Ehrlichia to test me with but hopes to get those soon in the future so I was lasered for general ehrlichia.

So I learned I may also have Relapsing Fever and Ehrlichia.

I have been taking lots of Buhner's bart, babs and neuro-lyme herbals for 9 months. I was muscle tested for those and very unhappy that I was told most of those don't work for me. They won't hurt me but that they are not really helping me. The "good" ones for me were Cryptolepis, Red Sage, Chinese Cat's Claw, Chinese Skullcap and especially Ashwagandha. I am to scared to just stop my bart herbs until my next visit. Not sure what I will do.

I was going to sleep every night at 7 p.m. and getting up at 10 p.m and then going back to bed at 11:30 p.m. and waking up at throughout the night. I was told I had adrenal problems and that he would reset my cortisol clock. After tapping, touching and pushing it was done. You literally could hear my husband's eyes roll and I was so embarrassed. Well it may be psychological but I have been going to bed around 11 p.m. and only getting up once.

I was put on Vitamin D, a B-complex, molybdenum, acetylcholine, three homeopathic tinctures, a topical essential oil for biofilm and mushroom support for immune modulation.

The Lyme Laser Center of New England has a 12 week protocol for lasering but I think it's only for lyme. There are some success stories about that place.

Still continuing my battle.


Is the mushroom support called Immunokinoko? I wasn't given that but I think I need that.

Loutucky
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   Posted 6/26/2018 6:19 PM (GMT -6)   
julala, it is the Immunokinoko but he now labels it as Core Essential Immune Modulator. Immunokinoko comes in 500 and 750 strength. Mine is the 750mg.

Post Edited (Loutucky) : 6/26/2018 5:22:44 PM (GMT-6)

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