Cordyceps - quantity help

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cppoly
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   Posted 5/14/2018 7:33 AM (GMT -6)   
For mycoplasma, Buhner recommends 3 - 4 tbsp of cordyceps 3x daily. The cost of the a 1 lb bag of powder is $53 and for 10 tbsp a day, that will last 6 days??? Am I doing the conversion wrong. What is everyone else doing because this looks like it can get expensive.

Girlie
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   Posted 5/14/2018 4:15 PM (GMT -6)   
That does seem like a lot to take daily.

But remember, not everyone gets to full doses of the herbs.

At that does it's going to be a couple hundred for a month supply....yikes
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dacarte3
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   Posted 5/14/2018 4:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Unlike many other herbs Buhner recommends Cordyceps, allegedly, requires a really high dose to be effective.

He says 4-6 grams (4,000 to 6,000mg), per day. That is a huge amount. That would be 180+ drops in tincture form.

If I took this much I would go though a $12 one ounce bottle in 7 days (or less). So yes, I think your conversion is correct.

I personally do 2,000mg (2grams) a day and had success with it at that dosage. Matter of fact I take all my herbs at 2 grams a day (90 drops).

I spend about $130 a month (rotating 5 herbs at a time). Not to mention all the supplements and more expensive healthier food options and you are looking at a car note for a pretty nice car every month.

Try tincture form? More potent, so less you have to take and spend?
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Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella and Mycoplasma (treating everything to be on the safe side): May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

ArtAngel
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   Posted 5/14/2018 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
An alternative is MRM cordyceps from iHerb it works out about $35.00 a month - there are reviews on the site for the product so you have some reference for deciding if that is a good option for you.

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   Posted 5/14/2018 8:06 PM (GMT -6)   
there are so many herbs if taken long term have some benefit. the challenge for many of us is there are so many options and you hear so many good stories about almost all of them so how to choose?

apparently you also need to stick with these herbs for a while to see its whole benefit.

there's also the singular high dose herb route versus rotating a few herbs at lower doses.

i think buhner does a good job explaining at least the herbs he uses in his books. on top of that you can research for herbs on the web and ultimately decide what you'll do.

not the easy stuff to navigate that's for sure.

cppoly
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   Posted 5/15/2018 4:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for replies. I think I'll try a slightly smaller dosage to make it last a little longer. From what I found (putting everything in excel sheet), tinctures are turning out to be about 4 times more expensive than bulk powders in general so I'm trying to buy powders where I can.

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   Posted 5/15/2018 5:09 AM (GMT -6)   
I stumbled upon an herbal blend from Woodland Essence that combined several of my tinctures into one bottle and added some new ones. I think this has saved me some money.

JK Plus has Jap Knotweed, Cat's Claw, Cordyceps, Eleuthero and Licorice Root. I take two dropper fulls twice a day. I hope they got the dosages right for each herb, and Buhner seems to trust them as a reputable source.

I buy the 8 ounce bottle to improve the $$$ milage

sandyfeet
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   Posted 5/15/2018 10:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Dacarte3 - when you say you’re rotating 5 herbs at a time can you describe in more detail which herbs you take and how many sets you’ve decided on to rotate?

Thanks.
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LymeWarrior21
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   Posted 5/15/2018 10:34 AM (GMT -6)   
I am taking Cordyceps in tinture form about 40 drops 3x a day
not sure of the conversion of that, but My LLND created her own formulas based on Dr Buhner's treating protocol.

hope this helps sad
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   Posted 5/15/2018 12:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Dacarte is right. Buhner does say the dosage needs to be high. I've used Plum Flower powder and capsules. Cost is $39 bottle for both forms. I did not take as large a dose as he said - costs too much.

I have a little bit of powder left and an unopened bottle of capsules. Haven't taken any in about 3 weeks. I don't think I can afford to take it much longer.

dacarte3
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   Posted 5/16/2018 2:58 PM (GMT -6)   
cppoly said...
Thanks for replies. I think I'll try a slightly smaller dosage to make it last a little longer. From what I found (putting everything in excel sheet), tinctures are turning out to be about 4 times more expensive than bulk powders in general so I'm trying to buy powders where I can.


This is definitely true if the dosage is moderate. But for this really high does, based on my math from my previous post it's probably around the same. With that said the tincture is much more convenient and arguably more potent.
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella and Mycoplasma (treating everything to be on the safe side): May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

dacarte3
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   Posted 5/16/2018 3:00 PM (GMT -6)   
LymeWarrior21 said...
I am taking Cordyceps in tinture form about 40 drops 3x a day
not sure of the conversion of that, but My LLND created her own formulas based on Dr Buhner's treating protocol.

hope this helps sad


With a 1:5 ratio, 40 drops 3 times a day is 180 drops and pretty much 4000mg (4 grams). The "correct" amount. But you must be running out of a 1 ounce bottle every 5-7 days correct?
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella and Mycoplasma (treating everything to be on the safe side): May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

dacarte3
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   Posted 5/16/2018 3:18 PM (GMT -6)   
sandyfeet said...
Dacarte3 - when you say you’re rotating 5 herbs at a time can you describe in more detail which herbs you take and how many sets you’ve decided on to rotate?

Thanks.


So I have about 3 major protocols that I rotate (I just can't take 10-15 herbs at one time).

In each protocol the potent anti-inflammatory herbs of Cordyceps and Chinese Skullcap are in all 3 protocols. These are too important of herbs to not take at all times because feeling bad and off (inflammation) needs to be reduce (or even eliminated) so one can have an acceptable quality of life while treating (and most lyme treatment is long, maybe even life long when it comes to keeping lyme at bay).

I then I take Cordyceps and Chinese Skullcap and pair with an immune boosting protocol. The additional herbs are Eleuthro, Schisandra, and Rhodiola.

This protocol is also basically the mycoplasma protocol, which shows you Buhner believes the immune system it's self is more effective at dealing with myco then taking any potent anti-bacterial. Which in a lot of ways makes sense. Most humans have the Mycoplasma bacterium in them. If one ever had a respiratory infection or walking pneumonia it's most likely Myco (the latter definitely being myco). However, we lymies have either a weakened immune system or an over worked one and myco then goes from a common and somewhat innocuous organism to a harmful one.

I then pair Cordyceps and Chinese Skullcap with Japanese Knotweed, Andriographis, and Cats Claw (targeting Borrelia).

Lastly I then pair Cordyceps and Chinese Skullcap with Crypto, Isatis, and Houttynia. This is the "kill kill kill" protocol. It targets Babesia and Bart but also borrelia and myco (or any pathogenic bacteria).

But I believe it's vital to have Cordyceps and Chinese Skull cap at all times to reduce inflammation and inhibit negative cytokine cascades while up-regulating the positive cascades.

I give this approach most of the credit of feeling well enough to really go about my life and not struggle too bad. To have gone through long stretches of several months at a time symptom free, with flares in between. I can only imagine how it would be like if I didn't constantly inhibit cytokine cascades.

These protocols are rotated every 10-14 days.
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella and Mycoplasma (treating everything to be on the safe side): May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

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   Posted 5/16/2018 5:22 PM (GMT -6)   
sounds a bit like the protocols Im on , I just rotate some things in and out.

But I always take Jk, skullcap, red sage and cordyceps

I have had improvements overall but sometimes when I add something back in after a month off, like Isatis or Sida I herx for a few days and take binders to clean it up.

I am tired... I just want to be well again, I am grateful I have gotten this far but... Always so close....
need to figure out how to get to the finish line

sandyfeet
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   Posted 5/17/2018 2:04 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks dacarte3! Your rotation sounds great and has all my favourites.

I’ve been taking 15-18 herbs for a while and it’s rather exhausting. I’m taking a short break on a reduced protocol of andrographis, houttynia, hawthorn, milk thistle, and an anti inflammatory combo I like with bakail skullcap, and curcumin amongst others. I’m feeling about the same as I did on the full 18 so it’s worth exploring. Interested that you decided the cordyceps was also part of the key core protocol.

Sorry to sidetrack cppoly.
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017
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