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Tick41
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   Posted 5/14/2018 10:24 AM (GMT -6)   
How many people have had exposure to black mold? Just did a home mold test and my air vent tested positive for black mold... From what i've been told this can hinder lyme progress and cause many other issues. Luckily im moving soon! but in the meantime we are cleaning and i will up my detox!
Let me know your thoughts!!!

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   Posted 5/14/2018 10:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Is it the Toxic Black Mold? If so I would get professionals in to clean it.

And even if it’s not the toxic mold - I wouldn’t be the one cleaning it - not if I have an active Lyme infection
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Tick41
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   Posted 5/14/2018 11:11 AM (GMT -6)   
I didn’t do the cleaning, my dad did. And yes toxic mold

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/14/2018 11:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes. I had longterm exposure to moderate amounts of toxic molds at home and at work. It has wreaked havoc on my health and immune system.

When you move, carefully consider your belongings. Mycotoxins get on everything and will continue to cause ongoing inflammation and immune suppression in susceptible people. Educate yourself.

The sources I trust are here:

www.survivingmold.com/diagnosis/frequently-asked-questions

paradigmchange.me/wp/stuff/

biotoxinjourney.com/mold-remediation-overview/

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   Posted 5/14/2018 2:15 PM (GMT -6)   
As much as I believe I was exposed to several health depleting molds I do not believe I was exposed to Stachybotrys because I didnt have seizures nor hallucinations, but I could be one of the people with one defective gene rather than the two which make exposure that much more severe.

All mold is toxic mold it just varies in severity of the mycotoxins.

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   Posted 5/14/2018 2:55 PM (GMT -6)   
ChickenArise said...
As much as I believe I was exposed to several health depleting molds I do not believe I was exposed to Stachybotrys because I didnt have seizures nor hallucinations, but I could be one of the people with one defective gene rather than the two which make exposure that much more severe.


I was exposed to Stachy. I have not had seizures or hallucinations. I don't think Stachy was that bad at the time I was living there, as it was less than 5 on ERMI. It was found on the swab samples from the AC plenum and tge attic. The air sample testing that was done 2 weeks showed Stachy and Chaetomium at 24, which shocked me. Aspergillis was the worst one. There's a colony under the subfloor in my bedroom in the dirt crawlspace.

Just so everyone who reads this is properly informed, Stachybotrys is the one commonly referred to as "black toxic mold." Stachy is NOT the only toxic mold. Furthermore, all black mold is not toxic.

Stachybotrys, Chaetomium, Aspergillis, Cladesporium and Wallemia are among the most detrimental toxic molds, but there are many others. ANY indoor mold is a problem. Water damage and indoor humidity must be corrected and mold remediated.

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   Posted 5/14/2018 4:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Not saying that any mould in the house is safe, but I thought there was one that was worse than others'.....



So what about all the moulds in our environment outside?
If we get to a healthy state in our living spaces....then out immune system can handle being exposed in others' homes, hotels, and outside...etc.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 5/14/2018 9:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Not saying that any mould in the house is safe, but I thought there was one that was worse than others'.....



So what about all the moulds in our environment outside?
If we get to a healthy state in our living spaces....then out immune system can handle being exposed in others' homes, hotels, and outside...etc.


A main factor is if we have the gene that makes us susceptible to mold toxins or not.

Indoor mold can be a different type than outside mold. Mold outside, from what I understand, does not produce mycotoxins. Mycotoxins are released as a defense mechanism from the spore when in a stressed environment. Mold in an indoor environment can be stressed due to competing mold types and chemicals it may come in contact with.

The most toxic molds are found in water damaged structures. Unfortunately, I am genetically susceptible to mold. Since my body has already mounted a hefty response to it, I have to avoid moldy buildings for any extended amount of time. I shouldn't be in them at all really.

Mold itself is not toxic. When in an outside environment, in most cases, the are not toxigenic.

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   Posted 5/14/2018 9:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Tick41 said...
How many people have had exposure to black mold? Just did a home mold test and my air vent tested positive for black mold... From what i've been told this can hinder lyme progress and cause many other issues. Luckily im moving soon! but in the meantime we are cleaning and i will up my detox!
Let me know your thoughts!!!


If it tested positive for black mold, the sooner you can get out the better. If you haven't been tested for gene susceptibility, I strongly encourage it. If you do have the gene, you need to remove yourself from the exposure asap and find a doctor who is familiar with Shoemaker's protocol. Simply leaving the exposure is not enough. You need prescription binders and tested for MARCoNS as well.

Mold symptoms and lyme symptoms are extremely similar. The same in many cases.

I'm not telling you this to scare you, it's just something that people need to be aware of if they want to get better. I recently found out that mold is my main issue. Found out after months of getting worse on lyme tx, that I have a mold problem. Just waiting for my house test to come back to make my next move.

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   Posted 5/15/2018 1:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Not saying that any mould in the house is safe, but I thought there was one that was worse than others'.....



So what about all the moulds in our environment outside?
If we get to a healthy state in our living spaces....then out immune system can handle being exposed in others' homes, hotels, and outside...etc.


Girlie,

In my response above, I named the toxic molds that are worse than others and cause more illness.

As for outdoor mold, Shoemaker has stated he has not seen any CIRS patients' lab markers affected by outdoor mold. He relies on labs for eveything. I can say from experience and from what I have read of the extreme mold avoiders writings that some are affected symptomatically by outdoor mold. I can smell outdoor mold now, whereas I didn't before becoming mold sensitive. I can even smell it in my car when driving through places like swampy woods and creeks. I smell it in the mornings when dew is on the ground. Sometimes, when I am more sensitive or the mold is particularly bad, I will feel the mold - burning lips, gums, face or eyes; sometimes a dirty feeling on my face.

Girlie
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   Posted 5/15/2018 2:24 PM (GMT -6)   
So if you have the gene and you get your house cleaned up and detox the mold out of your body - then what do you do when you’re outside, and in others homes? Are you able to tolerate it at that point?

Mold is everywhere... so how do you stay well.. a continued protocol for life if you have the gene?


I have to remember to spell mold without the “U” like we do in Canada.

I can smell outdoor mold too - I think most people can.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/15/2018 3:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
So if you have the gene and you get your house cleaned up and detox the mold out of your body - then what do you do when you’re outside, and in others homes? Are you able to tolerate it at that point?

Mold is everywhere... so how do you stay well.. a continued protocol for life if you have the gene?


I have to remember to spell mold without the “U” like we do in Canada.

I can smell outdoor mold too - I think most people can.


For some lucky people, getting out of the moldy environment is all they need.

Others who have genetic susceptibility will have to do more. The Shoemaker Protocol has 12 steps, I believe. There are a bunch of labs that have to be run. Shoemaker has a protocol for treating with Rx to normalize each lab marker that has been affected. If the person is still symptomatic after removal from mold exposure and subsequent treatment and lab markers are normalized, then VIP can be used. For some, it is the magic bullet that turns off the gene activation. In order to use VIP, you must be in a very low mold environment as tested by ERMI and be MARCONS free.

Removal from mold exposure is first. Cholestyramine or Welchol are used to bind mycotoxins. Patient is tested for MARCONS and the CIRS labs and treatment depends on the lab results.

According to a source Buhner quotes in Healing Lyme in the long section on cat's claw, it states that cat's claw can normalize the HLA-DR genetic expression.

Shoemaker only uses pharma drugs. He has no natural protocol to follow. I'm convinced there are herbs that will accomplish the same results. I'm looking for what will increase VIP and/or MSH. If anyone knows, please share.

I know that Klinghardt said that those who address HPU/KPU are less affected by mold.

The mold and genetic issue is all related to the individual's ability to effectively remove those toxins. For some, it is likely the total level of toxins from all sources that is overloading the detox organs.
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