Does vitamin c Kill lyme

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isitlyme
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   Posted 5/16/2018 3:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello all,

What are you thoughts about vitamin c killing Lyme?

Charlie55
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   Posted 5/16/2018 5:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Probably does, at a small scale. But are you going to making any progress treating with Vitamin C on it's own, probably not. Years ago someone on the internet made some hocus pocus vitamin c salt protocol that supposedly cured lyme patients. It's been years since then, no reports of people getting cured, aka reached remission, other than a few people that call into radio shows claiming to have been cured by the protocol, lol, we all wish to have that lyme cure, don't we... But that was years ago when I heard these phone calls on Coast to Coast AM, don't hear too much buzz about it anymore...

However, there was recent reports that Vitamin c and doxycyline together was found to be very potent against cancer cells, so with the right cocktail vitamin c could be beneficial. But then again, vitamin c for the most part is mostly beneficial for people with chronic disease when it's taken intravenously.

If you read up on borrelia bacteria, you'll learn it has it's own self defense mechanisms called round body forms, biofilms and persister cells. No matter what you throw at it, it'll be protected underneath the biofilm. This is why lyme is so chronic! And vitamin c on it's own isn't going penetrate the biofilm mucous nor kill persister cells.

I have tried the so called vitamin c and salt protocol years ago, did nothing for me!

Is Vitamin C still good for your health when in treatment for Lyme? Sure it has it's health benefits, but I'd say watch out for people who make outrageous claims.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 5/16/2018 5:35:15 AM (GMT-6)


mpost
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   Posted 5/16/2018 5:44 AM (GMT -6)   
probably it makes your immune system less impaired.

i dont think u can get rid of it using vitamin c. not even IV. oral is a joke.

again, it helps your immune system for sure. so you dont completely crash.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/16/2018 7:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Great response, Charlie.

I take Vit C powder, 3-6 grams a day. I've never had the IV. I've been leary of anything in an IV, as I am very sensitive and react to small doses of lots of things.

Can you explain what is better above IV form? If I decide to try it, how many grams IV would you recommend a sensitive person to start with?

Charlie55
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   Posted 5/16/2018 7:39 AM (GMT -6)   
3-6 grams a day would be a good loading dose, but little excessive daily don't you think, you're just looking to boost your immune system, that's it. Hope you're aware Vitamin C can cause side effects in excessive amounts, look up the side effects on the internet... Vitamins can build up in your body which could cause more symptoms.

I can't tell you how many vitamins and herbs I've tried over the years, looking to help with Lyme but ended up causing more irritable symptoms Vitamins and herbs have their place for treating pain longterm and boosting your immune sytem and improve health in "beginning treatment stages" of lyme. But if you've been treating for a few years now, already at 60-70% health all you're doing is feeding the cash cow whomever you're buying these excessive amounts of vitamin C from online. Vitamin C would be great when your T-cells are low after doing the CD57 test.

Vitamin D and Vitamin C are a must daily, at a reasonable low maintenance dosage, maybe even doing it every other day or every 2-3 days, but it's not going to cure you, hope you're aware of that WalkingbyFaith. I know a lot of naturopaths will influence you into taking large amounts, claiming "it'll help treat lyme" etc, etc....

As for the IV form, I'm just repeating what I've read in recent studies, I would not know how many grams to take. It's been shown to be more beneficial intravenously because of penetration and absorption, as has IV antbiotics due to that reason... But both do two different things, one targets bacteria, the other one boosts immune system and overall health. I know others will tell you it kills bacteria kills cancer cells etc... Without a doubt it does, but at a large scale?

IV vitamin C would be great for beginning stages of lyme, years afterwards, all the outrageous claims naturopaths make. You need to research persister cells and biofilms from Dr. Sapi's work and the new John Hopkins study, this is what's keeping Lyme patients sick. I wish a patient could just take Vitamin C and be cured of all type of diseases, but that's not the case.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 5/16/2018 7:53:40 AM (GMT-6)


The Dude Abides
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   Posted 5/16/2018 8:14 AM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
Great response, Charlie.

I take Vit C powder, 3-6 grams a day. I've never had the IV. I've been leary of anything in an IV, as I am very sensitive and react to small doses of lots of things.

Can you explain what is better above IV form? If I decide to try it, how many grams IV would you recommend a sensitive person to start with?


I'll add my two cents, if you don't mind...

The intravenous form allows the person to have higher doses of Vitamin C. When taking Vitamin C orally, there's the problem of loose bowels. This is not an issue when taking it intravenously. The most Vitamin C I've read about people getting intravenously is 250,000 mg.

I've had three separate courses of 50,000 mg (50 g) of Vitamin C. Unfortunately, I noticed no difference in how I felt. Perhaps my body didn't need that much extra Vitamin C. Some folks argue that "true" Vitamin C includes other components ("P" factors, "J" factors, etc.) and that Ascorbic Acid is not "real" Vitamin C.

Thomas Levy, MD, JD wrote the following on the matter:

The Marketing Myth of 'Vitamin C Complex'
/bit.ly/2k0KmEV

If you're still not bored, see "Guide to the Proper Administration of Vitamin C, by Thomas E. Levy" on either of the following posts:

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3882273
/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3992126

Lastly, here are other Vitamin C-related resources:

Andrew Saul: www.DoctorYourself.com ← See left margin, scroll to bottom
Riordan Clinic: /RiordanClinic.org/what-we-do/high-dose-iv-vitamin-c
Vitamin C: Living Proof? Part 1: /youtu.be/VrhkoFcOMII
Vitamin C: Living Proof? Part 2: /youtu.be/z7O_Wrvbqn0
High Dose Vitamin C for Major Diseases: /youtu.be/W5Bgdqsorg0

Or, you could just take a Flintstones vitamin.

ArtAngel
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   Posted 5/16/2018 8:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I tried vitamin c IV's years ago when I had undiagnosed lyme. I really felt great the next day. It didn't last of course. And it was no cure given that in hindsight there was a lot I needed to do to get my health back.
I find it hard to tolerate vitamin c powders. At the moment I am taking an apple pectin extract that is supposed to be high in vitamin c as a substitute.
I dont think it kills lyme it definitely improves your health and that would help your immune system sustain a more efficient attach against lyme.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/16/2018 9:35 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm not taking it to kill Lyme. I thought it was supposed to aid with detoxification somehow. Lord knows I need an abundance of help in that arena.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/16/2018 9:46 AM (GMT -6)   
I just read Thomas Levy's article about liposomal Vit C. I've only had powdered ascorbic acid. I've never had IV or liposomal.

Does anyone use liposomal Vit C? Do you think it helps you? What brand?

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 5/16/2018 10:30 AM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
I just read Thomas Levy's article about liposomal Vit C. I've only had powdered ascorbic acid. I've never had IV or liposomal.

Does anyone use liposomal Vit C? Do you think it helps you? What brand?


I've not used any Liposomal Vitamin C, but I'm aware of this company:

/www.livonlabs.com/products

I think Tom Levy may be associated with this company.
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