All the herbs ready to go but scared to take them

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LJohn23
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   Posted 5/17/2018 12:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey everyone, I have brat and only bart. I've taken multiple tests for Lyme and coinfenctions and all came out negative besides bartonella. I have many crazy awful symptoms too. So, I've decided to try burners bart protocol with herbal tinctures. Everything is ready to go . The only thing is, im working this summer( college student) and im so afraid starting treatment is gonna make me unable to work. The main thing im worried about is increases anxiety and that antisocial feeling I've gotten with this freaking infection. Idk, I want to start and feel better, but absolutely have to work. Maybe starting treatment will actually help me work as I start killing this infection? How long till I feel better? Hope its soon when I start these tinctures.

Girlie
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   Posted 5/17/2018 1:08 AM (GMT -6)   
What labs did you do lyme tests?


Generally bartonella is self-limiting unless you have a compromised immune system. So, if you do have a bart infection ...you most likely have something else as well.


I just wouldn't rule out lyme and/or babesia - not yet anyway.

No one can say how long before you start to feel better. You may feel worse before this happens (i.e. herx)
I suggest you start at low dose - one herb and after a week...or two weeks, add in the second herb - again at low dose...etc.

Have you got a good detoxing regimen?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

mpost
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   Posted 5/17/2018 1:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Just warning you bartonella is widespread bacteria. This is a study from Poland:

/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26047187

"The prevalence of seropositive results in the risk group (30.4%), farmers (27.7%) and forestry workers (31.5%), was significantly greater compared to the control group (8.9%)."

So 27.7% farmers have/had bart, and 8.9% of the country's population has positive bart test. Do you realize what would mean if 1 out of 10 people would really need antibiotics for bartonella ?! and 28% of all farmers ? The end of medicine smile

In my personal opinion just being antisocial and having positive bart antibodies, does not justify treatment.. Im not a doctor so i may be wrong...

Bart is a problem for the immunocompromised. If u have chronic lyme or HIV, you are severely malnourished, no vitamins, very poor diet like the homeless. U eat potatoes and corn all year round and your teeth started to fall because lack of vitamin C.

Post Edited (mpost) : 5/17/2018 12:52:36 AM (GMT-6)


Girlie
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   Posted 5/17/2018 1:51 AM (GMT -6)   
mpost said...


In my personal opinion just being antisocial and having positive bart antibodies, does not justify treatment.. Im not a doctor so i may be wrong...



mpost - John posted: "I have many crazy awful symptoms too."
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

mpost
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   Posted 5/17/2018 2:04 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...

mpost - John posted: "I have many crazy awful symptoms too."


yes and i posted that "being antisocial and positive bart does not justify treatment". I think that is correct, no ?

I am not being rude, but i'd hate if someone dies on this forum because we advised her to treat bartonella while she had say cancer just because she had positive bart test (just like 10% of all the population) and "crazy symptoms". See what i mean?

i'd say you should do a bit more digging into the causes of your problems and maybe detail what "crazy awful" really means. be more specific.

Girlie
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   Posted 5/17/2018 2:08 AM (GMT -6)   
mpost said...
Girlie said...

mpost - John posted: "I have many crazy awful symptoms too."


yes and i posted that "being antisocial and positive bart does not justify treatment". I think that is correct, no ?


But "many crazy awful symptoms plus a positive bart test..." ??
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Girlie
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   Posted 5/17/2018 2:14 AM (GMT -6)   
mpost said...


I am not being rude, but i'd hate if someone dies on this forum because we advised her to treat bartonella while she had say cancer just because she had positive bart test (just like 10% of all the population) and "crazy symptoms". See what i mean?


John has posted that HE is positive for bart and has many crazy, awful symptoms...and had some questions regarding herbal treatment.

I would assume he has a Dr. who has or is ruling out other diseases...like cancer.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

goshawk
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   Posted 5/17/2018 4:19 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi and welcome to our forum LJohn23,

Sorry that you have Bartonella. I have it and it has been my worst infection...but thereis hope to get better.


I have been on The Buhner protocol for Bartonella for 10 months...so for some of us it does take time, so just be prepared for that.

I do have other infections and I am older than you so many things need to be taken into consideration when asking how long it will take to get well.

I am no medical expert but it is advised to start with only one herbal at a time and at a low dose.

That way if you have a reaction or allergy to it, you can single out which herbal caused it.

The Houttuynia, Alchornea Sida acuta and Istais are the killing herbs, the other herbals are supportive but do an important job.

The supplaments are in the protocol for a good reason also. I would highly recommend purchasing Stephen Buhner's Healing Lyme co infections, Bartonella book. I think its around 20 bucks and well worth it. It explains accrual information about Bart and treatment.

Herbals can cause herxing, which is from killing the bacteria and the die off toxins that produces.

So you may get an increase in symptoms, and/or new symptoms can occur.

Because of this it is very important to use some detoxing methods.

If you go to our "New to Lyme" start here thread at the top of the page it will have info on Detoxing, testing, symptoms and more.


Build your immune system up, ultimately that is your beat defense to fight of infections.


You take car and I wish you the best of healing.

Feel free to ask any questions or reach out for support in the future when you need it.

Take care, Jo

sandyfeet
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   Posted 5/17/2018 4:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi LJohn23,

I’d second everything goshawk has to say. I’ve been following Buhner’s protocols and his books have a wealth of information that explain the reasons behind each herb, I find myself going back over and over again as I reassure mysel that I’m on the right track or make changes.

In addition to going slow adding the herbs and increasing the doses you may wish to focus only on the organ and immune supporting herbs for a while before considering adding any of the killing herbs. If there really is nothing else depressing your immune system then supporting your body may be enough to tip things back in your favour. If not then you’ll have had some time to get comfortable working with herbals and can and start to work on the stronger herbs when you are ready.

Good luck!
Bulls eye rash August 2013
Started treating with Buhner herbs July 2017
Treating Borellia, Babesia and Bartonella as of November 2017

LJohn23
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   Posted 5/17/2018 9:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you everyone for the support. Girlie, im using many different detoxing methods like dry brushing, burbur, empsom baths, lemon water. Mpost, yeah being antisocial does justify my treatment. I've always been outgoing. So do these random ass stretch marks all over my freaking legs and stomach. I don't know if you wanted me to give you every little detail to prove that i have bartonella, but don't act like im ignorant. You don't know me, and i come here for support, not to prove what doctors already have.

Take care man.

LJohn23
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   Posted 5/17/2018 9:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey goshawk, how has treatment with burner protocol worked for you? Are you feeling a lot better? Still herxing once in a while?

sebreg
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   Posted 5/17/2018 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
As some members stated, I highly recommend starting one herb at a time, and very very slowly. That way if a herx response gets too strong you can pull back more easily (take a couple days break or something like that in those situations) and hopefully regain baseline quickly. Then restart at a lower dose.

Good luck my friend! It's a marathon, slow and low and build from there, hopefully that will give you a pathway to get going on treatments while allowing you to manage your responsibilities and work.

Also second the idea that you could start by frontloading a lot of detoxing before starting the antimicrobial treatments. And keep doing the detox (and immune support) throughout as you treat.
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