are side effects a sign anti virals are working?

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Irishlymie
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   Posted 5/17/2018 11:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I've started 3 months of Neosine: 500mg x 4 a day on top of the rest of my protocol.

feeling very tired and achy, is this a sign that it's working and I probably have an active infection or are side effects common for all patients?

mpost
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   Posted 5/18/2018 1:04 AM (GMT -6)   
i honestly think on this forum here people are biased towards accepting any worsening in symptoms as herx. please if you have any consideration for your own good do not stay for months seeing yourself spiraling into worse and worse and tell yourself 'i am getting better, it is a herx'.

a herx means a TEMPORARY worsening in symptoms after which you get RELIEF and you feel BETTER THAN BEFORE the herx.

sorry for the caps but i suffered for 2 years while on herbs and saw my health go down while i was fooling myself 'it is a herx'. it was not a herx!

if your health is on average worse now than 3 months ago , again ON AVERAGE (you can have good and bad days) then it is not a herx it's the disease getting worse.

you cannot answer this on a week to week basis, it does not work like that. symptoms go up and down on their own on short time frames, it means nothing.

Irishlymie
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   Posted 5/18/2018 2:25 AM (GMT -6)   
I know what you mean I've been treating for 2yrs and was stuck in a limbo of herxing.

is it possible to herx from an anti viral?

mpost
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   Posted 5/18/2018 4:17 AM (GMT -6)   
how long have u been taking it ?

Irishlymie
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   Posted 5/18/2018 5:30 AM (GMT -6)   
3 weeks done out of three month script

mpost
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   Posted 5/18/2018 6:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Irishlymie said...
3 weeks done out of three month script


tell us how u feel after 3 months. for this disease , in its chronic form, 3 weeks means absolutely nothing. i know it is frustrating but it is better to say "i don't know" than to fool yourself into believing a lie. from my experience any conclusion taken after 3 weeks on any kind of treatment, antivirals, antibiotics, herbs, for chronic lyme, is not reliable.

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   Posted 5/18/2018 6:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Antivirals are not killing anything. They are stopping replication of virus. However, I had never heard of neosine and when I looked it up it does have immune-stimulating property so perhaps your immune system is killing something. I would up detox and if it gets better it could have been herx. If you stay feeling not well I would think drug side effect.

mpost
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   Posted 5/18/2018 6:21 AM (GMT -6)   
k07 said...
Antivirals are not killing anything. They are stopping replication of virus. However, I had never heard of neosine and when I looked it up it does have immune-stimulating property so perhaps your immune system is killing something. I would up detox and if it gets better it could have been herx. If you stay feeling not well I would think drug side effect.


i did hear. neosine is Inosine pranobex. It is also called Imunovir, Delimmun, Isoprinosine.

I did take this for a few months last year. It did not help me. But please understand the doctor does not know why u have the symptoms u have. It's the same list of symptoms for 10 distinct causes. one possibility is your lyme is dead but u have EBV over replicated while lyme was present, and causing u suffering. so it is sensible to try antivirals for a few months. You could also have this problem due to bartonella, chlamydia, or lyme itself. Case in which this antiviral treatment will not help you AT ALL...

state of modern medicine: make an assumption, give treatment to people see if they recover. if they don't then your assumption was wrong. U should watch HOUSE MD, this is how they do it sometimes even for more deadly diseases... 90% of the time doctors are clueless about whats going on in someone's body. They have some small lines, and a HUGE empty page with nothing below ...

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/18/2018 8:29 AM (GMT -6)   
"state of modern medicine: make an assumption, give treatment to people see if they recover. if they don't then your assumption was wrong. U should watch HOUSE MD, this is how they do it sometimes even for more deadly diseases... 90% of the time doctors are clueless about whats going on in someone's body. They have some small lines, and a HUGE empty page with nothing below ..."

This I can definitely relate to!

IrishLymie,

If you're trying to reduce viruses, you may want to try monolaurin. I bought some but have't started yet.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 5/18/2018 8:31 AM (GMT -6)   
As to your initial question, fatigue and aches are part of the description of herxheimer reactions. They are also common symptoms of viruses.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 5/18/2018 10:15 AM (GMT -6)   
mpost said...
i honestly think on this forum here people are biased towards accepting any worsening in symptoms as herx. please if you have any consideration for your own good do not stay for months seeing yourself spiraling into worse and worse and tell yourself 'i am getting better, it is a herx'.

a herx means a TEMPORARY worsening in symptoms after which you get RELIEF and you feel BETTER THAN BEFORE the herx.

sorry for the caps but i suffered for 2 years while on herbs and saw my health go down while i was fooling myself 'it is a herx'. it was not a herx!

if your health is on average worse now than 3 months ago , again ON AVERAGE (you can have good and bad days) then it is not a herx it's the disease getting worse.

you cannot answer this on a week to week basis, it does not work like that. symptoms go up and down on their own on short time frames, it means nothing.


I generally agree with this.

I think it's very easy to confuse a herx with a flare (and very difficult to tell the difference).

In all honesty, most of our regressions have been flares - not herxs. We've only had a few identifiable herxs in this journey.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 5/18/2018 10:20 AM (GMT -6)   
My Kid#2 was on anti-viral supplements (I posted about this previously). It was primarily monolaurin and lysine-extra. He definitely had identifiable herxs after starting the anti-virals. He had much worsening of symptoms and then a definite improvement. This happened repeatedly after I would restart these. However, he no longer herxs or reacts to those anti-viral supplements any more.

Here is prior thread on Kid#2 and anti-viral supplements:
/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3655651

We have a new treatment plan for him. We will be starting a prescription and herbal anti-virals in a few weeks. I really don't know how he will react to them.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.
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