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WalkingbyFaith
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Posted 8/3/2018 3:47 PM (GMT -7)
Okay, I took Megahydrate for the first time Wed and Thu. I noticed bubbles in my urine both days. I googled that last night and found it can be from protein in urine and a sign of chronic kidney disease and END STAGE RENAL FAILURE, so of course, I'm worried.

I did not take any today and have not seen any bubbles today.

I take dandelion every morning and milk thistle morning and night for liver and kidneys. I can't even get labs done now unless I pay out of pocket as I lost my health insurance.

Anyways, my question is can Megahydrate cause bubbles in urine or injure the kidneys?

Ingredients:

600 mg of this blend

Silica hydride powder proprietary blend: potassium citrate, silica, potassium carbonate, citric acid, hydrogen negative ions.
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opugirl
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Posted 8/3/2018 6:03 PM (GMT -7)
600 mg shouldn't be enough to have a direct effect on your urine. How do your kidneys feel? I'm confused about the purpose of it. Does it make you retain water? Are you going to the bathroom less?
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Posted 8/3/2018 6:09 PM (GMT -7)
My kidneys feel okay.

The purpose, I think, is to help get more water into the tissues. I have low ADH, so my body doesn't retain water and utilize it properly.

I didn't notice any other changes in urination other than the bubbles.
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Posted 8/3/2018 6:41 PM (GMT -7)
Can be heavy stream too, do they go away fast or slow? Are thy large ones or small ones, relax I have had this a long time it is due to having a muscle disease too you know and we do have that.
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Posted 8/3/2018 8:07 PM (GMT -7)
So this JUST happened while on this new hydrate product? Thats most likely the cause.

/healthhearty.com/why-does-urine-foam

/www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/blood-urea-nitrogen-test#1

Urine 101; Whats in it:

1)"Waste water" minus used minerals and added unneeded minerals. Like tap water in color, its what makes urine more clear after drinking water more often (hydrating).
2) A certain amount of protein bi-products (BUN). Your liver releases the substance which can foam and make urine be darker in color. This ratio WILL elevate if your de-hydrated and darker sometimes more foamy urine can result. Drs will check this by repeated and more hydrated testing.

In a healthy hydrated individual there is a healthy ratio for this (above). We are also used to seeing this healthy ratio as it correlates with the "normal" color and "froth". Change the above ratio and the color and froth will change too.

I assume this mega-hydrate product holds water in you thus upsetting the waste water protein ratio, and you can see this too. You have the same waste protein amount but now with less clear waste water to this and make it clearer. A Dr would say your dehydrated per lab values even though its your new product making it appear that way.

Less waste water / higher protein bi-product in urine (BUN) will also show as lower PH (lower is acidic on ph scale) on "peed on" litmus/ PH paper. Many independent health/vitamin stores stock small rolls of ph paper. It only makes sense that your urine would have a lower than 7 (neutral PH) based on your symptoms and what this product is supposed to do.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/4/2018 7:06:24 PM (GMT-6)

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Posted 8/3/2018 8:14 PM (GMT -7)
I've had bubbles pretty much the entire time I've been sick, roughly 17 years, no explanation, no findings in urine collection, but I KNOW there is a biochemical forming these unrighteous suds in my piss.

Still no abnormal labs, I mean, hardly, hardly ever and then only borderline.

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Posted 8/4/2018 1:18 PM (GMT -7)
Protein is too large to be filtered thru the glomerulus of the kidneys. If you have protein in your urine, kidney dysfunction is occurring.

Silica hydride increases SOD, catalase, and glutathione peroxidase. This is considered a very good thing in most people. In some people with high pathogen loads, this increases their antioxidant defense system so much and they aren't able to eliminate the toxic load that occurs from the pathogen die off. This is more than likely what is causing any kidney dysfunction. I've come to the conclusion that for the most part, removing toxins and killing pathogens is the exact same process in our immune system. If you do one, you decrease the other. If you increase pathogen destruction, you reduce your ability to remove the toxins. This can help to explain why our detoxification pathways become overloaded as we kill more pathogens.

It can also inhibit lipid peroxidation which is a good thing in most people. Lymies aren't most people. Low and slow would be a good course to take. I personally haven't found the answer to how to successfully eliminate pathogen load because it's not one pathogen. We have to deal with all of them, the good and the bad. Eating dictates GI bacteria to an extent, but pathogens reign supreme in that arena. The GI bacteria determine nutrient absorption and B Vitamin production. The GI pathogens determine the extent of GI bacterial growth.

Here's a test for you. Eat 25 grams a day of fiber and see how much flatulence you produce. If you produce none, eat 50 g of fiber a day and reevaluate. Flatulence is produced when your GI bacteria aren't in sufficient numbers to break down the fiber. Continue to eat fiber (25g/day) and see if your flatulence decreases after 4 days. It should. If it does not, then your GI environment isn't conducive to proper GI bacterial growth. A warning, eating that much fiber (25g isn't really that much) can cause a herx. Our GI environment should always be fluctuating slightly, but in Lyme patients, it often doesn't. Enterobacteriaceae often take over and prevent the gram positive phyla from thriving.
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WalkingbyFaith
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Posted 8/4/2018 3:38 PM (GMT -7)
How can I get 25g of fiber a day?

I just looked up psyllium fiber and one dose is only 7g dietary fiber.
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Posted 8/4/2018 4:02 PM (GMT -7)
Georgia Hunter,

Thank you so much for that detailed answer. So I was right. I was herxing from it. It seems I herx from even the most seemingly benign things - like Vit C when I first started it. Your answer explains why, and it makes total sense. I definitely had a high toxin load from the beginning due to CIRS from mold.

I've been on liposomal glutathione for almost 2 years now and take citrus pectin as a binder. I seem to have an extremely narrow see-saw balance between removing toxins and killing pathogens. I hurt most of the time and rarely have good days.

My last labs in April seem to indicate I am reducing some of the load - both pathogens and mycotoxins. Still, I am struggling all the time.

I had a gut blowout with diarrhea and vomiting in April. A bunch of stringy seaweed looking stuff came out in stool and vomit. Four days later, I had diarrhea again and then felt so much relief. I assume it was some candida although I never tested positive for candida. That was the first time in 2.5 years that I was able to have a bowel movement on my own without large doses of mag citrate. A few days later, I started getting more constipated and resumed mag citrate again, but at a lower dosage. The benefits didn't last long, though. It came back. I had been on Candicid Forte for about a month when that happened. I restarted Candicid Forte the beginning of July but haven't had another breakthrough yet.

When the gut blowout happened, I had to stop all treatment except Japanese knotweed. I had been doing Buhner's bartonella protocol plus some additional herbs for Lyme and possible babesia. I slowly added things back but never resumed all the previous protocol. I found that I had to decrease my doses on everything and could only handle dosing 2x day as opposed to the previous 3x day. I'm still just doing 2x day.

I seem even more sensitive now than I was before but don't understand why. I don't know if what little I'm able to tolerate is doing any good or if I'm just holding onto false hope that eventually something's going to give and the balance will shift in my favor.
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Posted 8/4/2018 4:07 PM (GMT -7)
Georgia Hunter,

Do you think the Megahydrate is a good thing for me and I just need to take it slow, or is it not good for me?

The reason I wanted to try it is because I have low ADH with normal osmolality due to CIRS and often feel dehydrated, even though my kidney labs make my doctor think I drink too much water. The ADH/osmolality imbalance means my body can't hold onto water like it should.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 8/4/2018 5:10:45 PM (GMT-6)

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Georgia Hunter
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Posted 8/5/2018 1:50 AM (GMT -7)
I can not answer if you should continue the MegaHydrate. There are way too many variables to give a correct answer.

Aldosterone is metabolized by steroid reductases from various Clostridium and Bifidobacterium bacteria. Each metabolizes aldosterone to a free or acetyl form which directly affects the levels of aldosterone available for use. If I had to guess, I'd say your Clostridium levels were too high (which often means your Lactobacillus levels are too low) and your Bifidobacterium levels are too low. Antibiotic use can cause this. Correcting this should elevate aldosterone levels.

Tylenol and aspirin can reduce Bifidobacterium use so avoid those if you can.

High Clostridium levels may make you more sensitive to choline (basically lecithin). Some of your cotton seed oils, sunflower seed oils, or soybean oils may be a problem. Eggs and milk too.

Short chain fatty acids such as acetate, butyrate, and propionate are anions and formed when our GI bacteria ferment carbohydrates. The osmotic effect of these may add bulk to fiber. I would suspect you aren't adequately doing this. Some things that affect our GI bacteria are transit time, pH, bile salt concentration, dentition, salivary function, and digestion. Correcting your GI bacterial levels will correct this.

Plants are a source of fiber. Fiber does not need to be supplemented, it needs to be eaten as food. There are so many beneficial components of plants that we need to eat and just taking fiber powder isn't enough. One way to beneficially alter GI flora is to eat whole plants. As I said in another post, it won't overcome some situations, but gives us the nutrients we need. Other food doesn't do that. In your condition, I would gradually increase my fiber intake to 25 grams over a week.
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