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Anyone Know What 9 States Are Legally Allowed To Treat Outside CDC's Antiquated Guidelines?

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borrelioburgdorferii
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Posted 8/9/2018 2:52 AM (GMT -7)

Hoagie said...
This is a very interesting Q&A type deal Ellie gave in Ohio 2 years ago.

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB_Yc_QGezs

At around 13:30-14:00 she mentions that the there are only 9 states that are allowed to treat outside the CDC guidelines...

Anyone know what 9 states these/those are or might be? I'm guessing it's not Florida, or maybe yes?

Anyone know?

Anyway the video is worth a watch as this is a very curious and bright fellow scientific mind almost brought down by nasty bacterias n co, and brought back to health and strength by a swarm of bees!

I couldn't find it via Googling, plus I'm having a few poor health days lately..I'm tortured.

I'm interested in some Interstate health travel if I can manage it, seems like West Coast might be good for me, or Europe if I could get to be more spendy some day.

Anyway I'm looking into bees pretty soon, and will be following Ellie's guidelines!
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opugirl
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Posted 8/9/2018 6:34 AM (GMT -7)
I know Pennsylvania is one and that Delaware is NOT one. lol. I would guess it is the states that are most notorious for lyme...
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bluelyme
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Posted 8/9/2018 8:17 AM (GMT -7)
Wild wild west has a few underground. Doc holiday liked the climate ....we have a handful of practitioners for bvt using meridians here.!? We have pk protocol ,ports,hyperbaric , ozone sauna, 10 pass ,stems as much as your pocketbook desires

If i were a md , even with state protection id be scared of persecution ....
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astroman
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Posted 8/9/2018 8:23 AM (GMT -7)

bluelyme said...
Wild wild west has a few underground. Doc holiday liked the climate ....we have a handful of practitioners for bvt using meridians here.!? We have pk protocol ,ports,hyperbaric , ozone sauna, 10 pass ,stems as much as your pocketbook desires

If i were a md , even with state protection id be scared of persecution ....


???? to much bee venom this morning?
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astroman
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Posted 8/9/2018 8:27 AM (GMT -7)

borrelioburgdorferii said...

Hoagie said...
This is a very interesting Q&A type deal Ellie gave in Ohio 2 years ago.

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB_Yc_QGezs

At around 13:30-14:00 she mentions that the there are only 9 states that are allowed to treat outside the CDC guidelines...

"Allowed" ? Since when did length of ABX use this become a "law" or something? CDC was always just a guide, not a law. Am I missing something here?
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Posted 8/9/2018 8:45 AM (GMT -7)

astroman said...

bluelyme said...
Wild wild west has a few underground. Doc holiday liked the climate ....we have a handful of practitioners for bvt using meridians here.!? We have pk protocol ,ports,hyperbaric , ozone sauna, 10 pass ,stems as much as your pocketbook desires

If i were a md , even with state protection id be scared of persecution ....


???? to much bee venom this morning?


Ha ha astro i wish ...i only sting for maintenance nowadays...was asking borrliaburf if he wanted help finding a practioner.?
I may have been over enthusiastic describing some available treatments but if every area had access to these treatments, what would lyme in america look like ....? Dont h8 ,appreciate

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 8/9/2018 9:50:03 AM (GMT-6)

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astroman
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Posted 8/9/2018 9:13 AM (GMT -7)
"Wild wild west has a few underground" - hard to find US Drs?

I just get a kick out of "decoding" what your saying , it can be challenging from time to time.
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tickbite666
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Posted 8/9/2018 9:52 AM (GMT -7)
RI is another state that specifically wrote by laws for Lyme treatmnt. Insurance companies must allow for abx coverage for as long as an MD prescribes the Rx and it is within the policy coverage. One of the ways the insurance companies have tried to avoid this is to discontinue certain Rx items from their formulary list. But if the Rx is on their list they cannot stop coverage beyond 30 days or what ever CDC or IDSA guidelines state.

LLMDs are not bothered by the state medical board and do not fear persecution for treatment outside of guidelines.

Post Edited (tickbite666) : 8/9/2018 10:56:08 AM (GMT-6)

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tickbite666
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Posted 8/9/2018 9:58 AM (GMT -7)
States that have passed other kinds of Lyme legislation include California, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont and Virginia.
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borrelioburgdorferii
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Posted 8/9/2018 10:20 AM (GMT -7)
Thanks for the replies you all, guys and gals.

I guess I read too much into Ellie's speech, (don't know if she said the word legal to treat, she was energetic)

but what's the difference if you (one) is bullied into doing something that isn't in their best interest? Like my diagnosis being critically delayed and "discouraged" (that's the exact words in my chart) from using ABX, which I still disagree with.

Anyway the BVT looks promising. And I still have quasi-expired doxycycline and minocycline on hand...

The thing about bees is the commitment once started, and the mentioning of anaphylactic shock if you stop and start again. And handling bees, because I can't reach my back. And the epipen (generic is around 10 dollars). I see my medicinal bees right outside on the coconut blossoms right now, but I'm holding off for my tester sting.
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Posted 8/15/2018 5:07 AM (GMT -7)

borrelioburgdorferii said...
Thanks for the replies you all, guys and gals.

I guess I read too much into Ellie's speech, (don't know if she said the word legal to treat, she was energetic)

but what's the difference if you (one) is bullied into doing something that isn't in their best interest? Like my diagnosis being critically delayed and "discouraged" (that's the exact words in my chart) from using ABX, which I still disagree with.

Anyway the BVT looks promising. And I still have quasi-expired doxycycline and minocycline on hand...

The thing about bees is the commitment once started, and the mentioning of anaphylactic shock if you stop and start again. And handling bees, because I can't reach my back. And the epipen (generic is around 10 dollars). I see my medicinal bees right outside on the coconut blossoms right now, but I'm holding off for my tester sting.

I have been in Ellie’s group on Facebook, and if you post science (I have two degrees in science, I’m not sure what qualifications she has) that contradicts what she says on the site, she’ll come after you. She is seriously crazy. I’m sorry if others don’t believe this, or really believe her “facts on BVT,” but I need to warn you, that following her, and only her, will get you into trouble. There are physicians in the US that do work with BVT. Seek one out because you’ll need a professional to guide you. Ellie doesn’t know what is going on in your body. She doesn’t see all of your labs.

I talked with a well known physician who did BVT in his practice, and he told me to immediately stop doing BVT after looking at my labs. He stated it’s making my immune system way too overreactive and it’s not the right treatment for me, after looking at my other labs.

I don’t want anyone to suffer needlessly, and I don’t want anyone to get their hopes up following someone who is sketchy, in my opinion. I’ve been down that road, and it doesn’t feel good emotionally or physically.
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Girlie
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Posted 8/15/2018 7:23 AM (GMT -7)
LLMD MR in Seattle Washington recently closed his practice as he was being investigated.

This happened about a month or two ago. The Pacific NW is lacking in LLMD's now.
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Hoagie
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Posted 8/15/2018 8:06 AM (GMT -7)

18yearsandcounting said...

borrelioburgdorferii said...
Thanks for the replies you all, guys and gals.

I guess I read too much into Ellie's speech, (don't know if she said the word legal to treat, she was energetic)

but what's the difference if you (one) is bullied into doing something that isn't in their best interest? Like my diagnosis being critically delayed and "discouraged" (that's the exact words in my chart) from using ABX, which I still disagree with.

Anyway the BVT looks promising. And I still have quasi-expired doxycycline and minocycline on hand...

The thing about bees is the commitment once started, and the mentioning of anaphylactic shock if you stop and start again. And handling bees, because I can't reach my back. And the epipen (generic is around 10 dollars). I see my medicinal bees right outside on the coconut blossoms right now, but I'm holding off for my tester sting.

I have been in Ellie’s group on Facebook, and if you post science (I have two degrees in science, I’m not sure what qualifications she has) that contradicts what she says on the site, she’ll come after you. She is seriously crazy. I’m sorry if others don’t believe this, or really believe her “facts on BVT,” but I need to warn you, that following her, and only her, will get you into trouble. There are physicians in the US that do work with BVT. Seek one out because you’ll need a professional to guide you. Ellie doesn’t know what is going on in your body. She doesn’t see all of your labs.

I talked with a well known physician who did BVT in his practice, and he told me to immediately stop doing BVT after looking at my labs. He stated it’s making my immune system way too overreactive and it’s not the right treatment for me, after looking at my other labs.

I don’t want anyone to suffer needlessly, and I don’t want anyone to get their hopes up following someone who is sketchy, in my opinion. I’ve been down that road, and it doesn’t feel good emotionally or physically.

I understand what you are saying. I don't believe in a one size fits all either. Listen to your body. If your labs were bad, I agree, stop. But you cannot discount all the successes with her protocol either. Apitherapy has shown to help numerous ailments. Ellie is quite eccentric. And in many ways she's a genius. But as every doctor I have ever spoken to, there are things I am not completely on board with. Every one of them. They believe in their method. Ellie is no different. What I appreciate about her is that she is very hands on with her community, and it costs us nothing.

I'm on board for now and having my pcp run labs every 4 to 6 weeks. If something is off, I will deal with it. But for now, there are too many success stories for a relatively new protocol, that is super cheap for me not to try it. Even our resident bvt guy swears by it saying it was a staple in him overcoming Als type symptoms.

Thanks for the concern. To each their own
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Hoagie
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Posted 8/15/2018 8:13 AM (GMT -7)
18years, do you mind emailing me your fb username so I can look up the discussions you had on the group page? You have sparked my interest.
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Fade2Blonde
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Posted 8/15/2018 9:53 AM (GMT -7)

Hoagie said...
18years, do you mind emailing me your fb username so I can look up the discussions you had on the group page? You have sparked my interest.

I do not mind. The “discussions” or rather very arguments on my post should not have been seen by the entire group. She could have chosen to use messenger. There are very good and helpful BVTers in the group, don’t get me wrong. Nancy Dolan is very good and helpful. I may have deleted the “conversation” because it got very brutal and bizarre and the rest of the members didn’t need to see that, but I would be glad to help you out if it’s still there in the group. I’m new, so I don’t know how to do a private email exchange on here. Let me know. 🙂
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