I don't think anyones got a patent to push poop on you.
I think they've pushed the autoimmune theory on lyme patients for decades and have direct resulted in millions losing their jobs, families and lives.
What's the difference if they push poop or Humira on us and they both don't work, it's both time and money wasted on what should of been targeted instead... The infection!
The treatment of autoimmune diseases with immunosuppressants is beyond idiotic but that has nothing to do with the science of autoimmune disease. That is a pharma maneuver.
I think you're wrong about
that, it's a whole medical industry maneuver! It's not only big pharma, but the doctors who are influenced by big pharma, as well as groups such as the IDSA and CDC. You talk to one Doctor about
Lyme Disease, what do they think first, autoimmunity, nothing about
a perister cells and biofilms. This is the trend in modern medicine!
I bet you ask Doctors if they know that a simple virus causes Celiac Disease... And that there's an underlying Herpes virus with Parkinsons... They wouldn't have a clue, remember who pointed that out in my comment above Psilociraptor, yep, it was me.
You think I have this big misconception of autoimmune and infection, I think it's the medical industry that has a misconception of autoimmunity. And the drugs they use to treat autoimmune patients shows it, not me! That's why I have big skepticism over Dr. Kim Lewis' time being spent on Lyme PTLDS.
I have treated my own overactive immune system with CBD oil and marijuana over last 3 years. I think it's a very good way to modulate the immune system and help with pain while targeting the source of the problem, the borrelia infection. I wish I had use this herb earlier in my treatment, but my government made it illegal through corporate influence back in the 1930s, the corporate propaganda still goes on to this day. Turmeric helped, but nothing seemed to work as well as CBD oil or actual THC marijuana.
Pick up their pathology books and see just how obvious it is that infections drive autoimmunity. They are 100% not mutually exclusive topics. Autoimmunity stems from when an infection evolves antigen that looks like self as a way of interfering with host receptors. Then the immune system produces a response against this antigen which ends up attacking the pathogen and the self because they are cross reactive. This is called molecular mimicry and is one of the best known causes of autoimmunity.
Probably depends on the year of the pathology book, because the modern day are influenced and written by pharmaceutical corporations these days. Which means masking symptoms rather than treating the source of the problem.
A bacteria like borrelia can cause your immune system to produce anti-neural antibodies which is an autoimmune response but it goes away when the pathogen does. Just because a lot of doctors don't treat it that way doesn't mean that's not how it is. These are really well established concepts in basic infectious disease these days. Microbiome can cause "autoimmune" diseases the same way by being a reservoir of opportunistic organisms that trigger self-reactive antibodies. It's no different than your concept of coinfections except that they come from your body rather than a disease vector
I really think there's a big difference, between the autoimmunity in celiac disease and a disease such Lyme Disease... Something like Celiac has been triggered by an infection, a study has shown that through reovirus. But the infection has passed, yet Celiac autoimmunity still remains. Lyme Disease is completely different in the fact that an overactive immune system and inflammation stays due to persister cells and biofilms. Thinking that Lewis is going to treat chronic lyme just by using fecal transplant is going to lead to failure, I think we should be past that now, knowing what we know with Chronic Lyme Disease.
I honestly think the word autoimmune really fits some diseases and disorders, while it doesn't fit others, like Lyme Disease. I think an overactive immune system would preferably the words I choose to use and I've seen Dr. Horrowitz use these words, rather than autoimmune.
I think autoimmunity, is a deceptive word that shouldn't be used to cover a wide range of diseases, because there's so many different levels of it and each disease and disorder is different because of it's own aspects, because viruses, bacteria, and cancer all act differently.
All in all, the medical industry has lied to us and Doctors and even people have this wrong depiction of what causes autoimmunity and what it actually is.
So do you still think I'm completely off the rails Psilociraptor?
I think from time to time, I do base my feelings a little to strongly about
infection and yes, autoimmunity, or an overactive immune system can play a role with treatment. I've heard Dr. Horrowitz having success regulating the immune system with Low-Dose Naltrexone, but it hasn't cured chronic lyme, has it?
At times, I think your opinions have provoked some incredible discussion in this post.
I've been pro-FMT, ever since it basically cured C-diff. But I have my doubts it will help with Lyme PTLDS. Personally I was thinking of taking a FMT pill just for boosting my immune system, they say it's like taking a nuclear probiotic. I remember finding a company that sells FMT pills, freezer dried, but it was too costly...
Charlie and Psilocraptor - Let's keep this friendly...okay?
Ok, I'll tone it down...
Charlie: "Right now, as well as other Lyme patients, we have to buy our antibiotics overseas to treat ourselves. Or just use standard herbs!"
Why? You live in the U.S. of A. There's plenty of LLMD's.
I have 3 in my state, been through all of them. I have talked about
this before, but I don't mind talking about
it again. Some LLMDs will only treat you for a limited amount of time, then they'll drop you. I assume you become a liability to their practice, considering the longer they treat with antibiotics, I suspect more they worry about
the side effects and other things like C Diff. I assume a lot of them worry about
losing their licenses too considering they're practicing outside the law when they treat longterm with antibiotics. Far as I know, Michigan doesn't protect their LLMDs like some of the other states in the US. There's very few states in general that protect longterm antibiotics for chronic lyme anyways.
All in all, repetitively going to a LLMD after 4-5 years can become too expensive. The disease has basically cost me everything, just as everyone else. How is it feasible to keep dishing out money to a Doctor that pracitices outside the medical profession and you have to pay out of pocket for every visit and insurance companies won't pay for it.
I can get into more, but some of you have heard plenty of stories like this already... I've also found, that certain LLMDs will only treat with weak antibiotics, while others will treat more aggressively with stronger antibiotics. If I hadn't jumped to the one LLMD in my state and get him to think outside the box and treat with flagyl, it could of caused me to plateau for a very long time. There's LLMDs out there, that still practice with a very limited selection of antibiotics and for a lot of patients, I suspect it doesn't help them progress much. At least it didn't for me... I was told from the get go on LymeNet, there's some patients that'll travel straight out of state, because some of the LLMDs in Michigan don't treat aggresively enough. It's not even the fact they don't treat aggressively, they don't use certain antibiotics like Flagyl or Tindamax. Or even some of the parasitic meds like Ivermectin. I'm not sure if persister cells antibiotics are even in their vocabulary these days. I'm sure LLMD knowledge and antibiotic protocols vary state to state, but I'm not the first to complain about
LLMD Doctors in Michigan, do a search on LymeNet.org and you'll find others complaining of their weak protocols.
And by the way, it's very likely the case that prion disease can also cause autoimmune disorders like Alzheimers, not necessarily an infection, but a protein that can cause serious disease. I'm listening to this one Doctor now suggesting in some cases of Alzheimers, it's being thrown under the rug that it's human cases of mad cow disease. Interesting... /youtu.be/_kDqztRaB-I?t=1h56s
The other stuff in that video can be too much for some people to handle, here's the relation /www.organicconsumers.org/news/there-connection-between-mad-cow-disease-and-alzheimers/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4204584//www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101145687
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