Calling all lymies with wealth of antibiotic experience.

I am wondering if someone can tell me if the following antibiotics attack all tick borne diseases. My doctor is treating me for babesia, bartonella and lyme but I want to know if these antibiotics would help with all the other nasty tick diseases that could be hiding as well.

I am on bactrim, malarone and clindamycin along with nystatin for an anti fungal.

Thanks guys!

They look to be covering a variety of coinfections, but biofilms and persister cells?

Bactrim is listed as persister cell killer through the John Hopkins study, but an efficient one? Hard to say, but I never responded to it well, but heard others have...

Malarone I had a good experience with, pairing it up with zithromax, both these worked well against parasitic coinfections like Babesia, possibly biofilms too, as antiparasitics like Flagyl has shown to work well against biofilms and round body forms.

Clindy is another one for Babesia. I suspect your LLMD thinks you have a bad case of Babesia if he or she has you on all of those, I've also heard Bactrim might have a profound effect against Babesia.

Totally understandable your Doctor has you on all of those, a Yale study suggested that the traditional antiparasitics worked poorly against Babesia
https://news.yale.edu/2018/11/29/yale-scientists-develop-new-system-study-emerging-tickborne-disease

I've heard many LLMDs say, Babesia can extremely prolong patients treatment of Lyme Disease, for instance 5 years vs 10 years. Here's an interesting article titled "Babesia and Lyme worse thant you think"
http://danielcameronmd.com/babesia-and-lyme-its-worse-than-you-think/

Also, if I were you, I'd also be taking Stevia with those pharma drugs to combat biofilms, it's possible that even Babesia could be hiding under biofilms as well, along with other coinfections. Many LLMDs and scienstists like Dr. Sapi believe that many of these coinfections work together with borrelia to keep our immune system suppressed.

I've been having success taking Stevia Wholeleaf tincture underneath my tongue, holding for 15-30 seconds, then swallowing after taking my antibiotics. Also putting Stevia into empty capsules, along with Xylitol for better absorption, I highly recommend veggie capsules because they don't melt and break down as quickly as gelatin. There are also thicker capsules from the AromaReady brand.

Sadly, not all LLMDs are treating biofilms properly like the top ILADs LLMDs are, for instance Dr. H and Dr. J. Dr. J likes to use xylitol and lactoferrin with his antibiotic protocols.

It also might be a good idea to buy some Cryptolepsis Tincture, put that in an empty capsule and swallow it a few times a day. It tastes horrible, so I recommend capsules vs swallowing it orally. Crypto has shown to work well against Babesia. Many LLMDs and patients pair up their antiparasitic pharma drugs with antiparasitic herbals to increase the effectiveness.

I've heard some LLMDs even adding in plaquenil to increase the efficacy of clindy, just like quinine does.

https://www.treatlyme.net/guide/kills-babesia-a-brief-guide

Treatlyme.net said...
Tier Three
I call these the "if all else fails" approaches. I use these approaches for various reasons. Generally, each is effective about 75 to 85% of the time. The Nitazoxanide is in this group because if it is quite expensive and often insurance will not pay for it. Without insurance it costs around $1400 a month. And Clindamycin/Plaquenil/Quinine work, but they have many side effects that make them hard to take.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/21/2018 11:12:46 PM (GMT-7)

xpeetzax said...
I think all of them are covered except for bartonella. Bactrim might not be enough as Girlie said.

Bactrim is said to hit Bartonella, how effective not sure, but heard quite a few LLMDs using it for Bart...

https://www.treatlyme.net/guide/kills-bartonella-a-brief-guide

Thanks for all your responses. As to everyone's rifampin statements. I was on bactrim , clindamycin and rifampin for about four months up to my doc exchanging  the rifampin for malarone.(3-4 weeks ago) And like Charlie said, it was because my babesia symptoms were still present and getting worst. My doctor dropped the rigorous bartonella fight to go after the babesia.
Charlie, thank you for the articles. I have read both of them before and they have good info. It's a little discouraging to read about the resistance of the babesia to standard treatments though. Also I have asked my doctor about parasites many times and she keeps recommending herbals. I would like to do that as well but would also like to take some medication to kickstart killing those nasty critters. I dont know why she wont prescribe me anything for parasites.
I have also been wondering about biofilms so I want to look into that more. That could definetly ne holding me back.

Girlie thanks for the info about anaplasmosis, mycoplasma and ehrlichia. That is what I was wondering if those would be covered. I would assume at some point in my 2 years of antibiotics I would have covered them anyways but just wondering what currently is being covered on these meds. Thanks.

Girlie thats exactly what I was thinking -that the bart may not be done with me yet. It's so difficult to tell which disease to treat first. It seems like babesia is the leader of the pack right now so hopefully after that is knocked down the others will be easier to beat down.

Wisco woman, if you suspect bart is still in the mix, down the line it might be worth trying a rifabutin combo. I also found PZA helpful. Are you responding to the current (more babesia) focused protocol? If so, I'd stay on it for a little while until you plateau. Personally I do like the strategy of knocking babesia down then rotating back to the other infections.

For parasites I found alinia, ivermectin, albendazole (been on all of them) effective. Actually, I suspect I may have been hitting babesia with them. I've done plenty of herbal antiparasitics as well.

The babesia study in regards to therapeutic effectiveness is slightly daunting, but lots of people attain remission. Sometimes it takes various combos to beat the babesia back, then we do what we can with a healthy lifestyle and maybe intermittent antimicrobials to keep things in check. The good thing is that they are doing these kind of studies, which seems to corroborate much patient experience with the potential tenacity and persistence of this infection. And hopefully that will open peoples' eyes that their is a problem, and then hopefully that leads to research looking to discover better therapeutic options and combos.

Sebreg- yes i am responding greatly. I actually herxed the first two days of starting malarone. (I have never herxed that quickly before) Then I felt decent for two weeks and now I've been herxing for the past week again. My air hunger and heart palps are crazy strong right now so I'm guessing babes is a large problem for me.

Also good poi y avout the article shedding light on our conditions. At least someone cares out there and is looking into it further. Maybe someday when we tell people we have lyme and coinfections they will actually understand the severity of our situation.

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Severe symptoms started in May of 2016.
Diagnosed with lyme January of 2017.
Diagnosed with Bartonella in May of 2017.
Diagnosed and treated for Babesia in February of 2018.
Still fighting the good fight as of present.