Recent Dr Burrascano Interview On The History Of Lyme

OriolCarol said...
Hi Charlie55!

Sorry, i'm from Spain and sometimes people don't understand me because i write like if i was using spanish expressions jejejej I don't want to say that he didn't believe in chronic lyme, because he was the first doctor to treat it jejeje. I wanted to say, that he put more energy to treat lyme than Bartonella or other infections because he know that lyme is the culprit.

Totally fine OriolCarol and it's totally fine that other criticize me and what I say, I know I do come off bold sometimes. I think all of it creates interesting conversation even though some don't think I contribute much to the posts on here.

Anyways, everyone has to question everything all the information surrounding Lyme Disease, seems as though everyone picks a Lyme Doctor and believes everything they have to say, just like their political party on climate change, ring a bell? Seriously, take into what everyone has to say, but you should definitely hold the Scientists and Doctors with the highest regard that have been studying the Disease the longest.

What Dr. Sapi and Dr. MacDonald found out with biofilms, round body forms, and persister cells is incredible... Make use of it... I mean there's only so much a human body can take from overuse of antibiotics or even building up a tolerance to herbs!
"Biofilm & Spirochetes Found in Dead Woman after 16 Years of Antibiotics"
https://youtu.be/_gojg7qzomw?t=12m15s

Just like the one user on Deadman said in a post on here, the borrelia is building up a resistance to antibiotics, as well as herbs. How and why people think that bacteria doesn't develop a resistance to herbs is beyond me. Ever wonder why everything works first for the first few weeks or month, then later when you take, it no longer works as effective. As Dr. B explained, the bacteria is evolving and building a resistance to every microbial you throw at it, there are his words, not mine...

Dr. B said...
you're setting the patient up for failure, killing the weak germs, then leaving the stronger one's to survive."

That's why it was always best to hit it the hardest in the beginning... I know I know, not everyone tolerates antibiotics and herxheimers well. Well for me, I never herxed badly and have tolerated antibiotics just fine, meanwhile I was given a low dosage of Amoxicillin because my LLMD wasn't educated in ILADS protocols.

But I'm extremely grateful he gave me antibiotics at the time, as it did hold the infection back and prevent me from getting worse. Did it complicate the disease and make it dig deeper and become more resilient? Like when Dr. B pointed to his head in the video, probably...

Ya know, there may be something to mast cell activation syndrome, having an imbalance microbiome, or gluten...

I'm not saying don't address these problems, I myself do with CBD oil to modulate an overactive immune system, stay on a strict low sugar diet with just water, as well as taking tons of probiotics for an imbalanced microbiome.

Problems come in when Dr. Kim Lewis, along with others that think that chronic lyme disease is the main cause from the an imbalanced microbiome.

They are getting tricked by the bacteria, as well as the parasites. I mean that's what parasites do, they trick people, are stealthy and easily evade the immune system, amazing how a single parasite can trick an educated man with a Phd ins't it?

We all know the different amount of symptoms that that borrelia can cause, what happens when you add in more coinfections, as ticks proliferate along the globe, breed with one another, the borrelia bacteria mixes inside with the tick host with other parasites as time goes on...

I suspect lower level LLMDs are complicating things when they mix in their own protocols, then think they're going to cure the disease all by themself, and ignore what the top ILADS Physicians are using. But in a way, this infection is very complex and tricky to treat.

I do suspect that one we figure a way to put a biofilm buster in intravenous form to get straight to the blood, instead of going through the gut, just like Dr. Rawls said, not absorbing well into the gut, we'll have even more success. But does that mean Stevia doesn't work, no it doesn't, just means it's not absorbing well.

Geez, what ever happened to Curzas biofilm drug, CZ-1-99?

I just hope, I really hope, that many listen to everything Dr. B has to say in this video and try to understand this disease better. I'm sure I misinterpreted things, but I can tell you that a lot, I mean a lot is being misinterpreted by other lower level LLMDs and Lyme patients... I kind explained why I think that is, maybe I'm wrong on some of it, but I know I'm right on some of it, because it happened to me, and I see many lyme patients still receiving inadequate lyme antibiotic treatment on the forums, when in early stages aggressive treatment could be most valuable.

Charlie55 said...
I really suspect lower level LLMDs claimed this notion that orals worked just as well as IVs, was just there to calm the Lyme patients down for those that couldn't afford IVs, their insurance wouldn't cover, or their LLMD just didn't want to prescribe them because they were worried about getting reported to the CDC.

This is why I suspect that Dr. Kim Lewis wants to find a drug candidate like Dislifram that wipes the borrelia infection out in the beginning stages of treatment and like Dr. B said, the coinfections wont be so hard to treat later in treatment. This is why Dr. Kim Lewis suspect chronic lyme is due to an imbalanced microbiome. In a way, he's kind of right, I'm sure a lowered immune system plays a role in making it harder to reach remission. What he's wrong about is a persistent infection... He thinks the current chronic lyme patients won't have to treat coinfections and resistant borrelia infection longterm if they just use Dislifram. I tried the drug, works great, but still sick... lol

Now if we use Dislifram and maybe a fecal matter transplant... Hey, may work, it might really help a lot of patients.

But I still think Dr. Kim Lewis is still underestimating this disease, just like how they think a vaccine is going to cover all the different forms of borrelia, viruses, and confections. I think the new vaccine supposed to cover 6 strains... Oh yeah, is it going to cover Babesia, Powasan virus? Lets just hope that it doesn't cause an overactive immune system like Lymerix did and still to this day they deny, remind you that vaccine only covered 1 strain of borrelia and there's like 50 or something...
https://youtu.be/40ewjpreexy?t=724

Just too many arrogant, ignorant doctors that think they know there is to know about disease and infection, just like what Dr. B said about Dr. Allen Steere. What happens when a Doctor like that gets lobbied and influenced by drug companies and insurance companies, I can tell you this, it doesn't take much, lol...

Just too many of my friends and loved ones, soon as they step into a Doctors office, they tell me the Doctor is trying to convince them they have anxiety, restless leg syndrome, high cholesterol, need this drug, that drug. Meanwhile they all could of been placed on a healthy diet regimen or working out. Did you know your prain releases endorphins when you work out? Best thing you could do for your body, even if it's just walking at slow pace, why the hell does anyone need Xanax. I have a niece that bowered adderall drugs from her friend just so she could Ace a test, what's wrong with this picture folks?

One day, we're gonna have to separate government and business, sadly, I think we're far from that picture. When I have male friends telling me they think a free unregulated market is going to solve all our problems... I sure more women get in political power, maybe that's our only hope with women having the empathy trait that men lack... That or singularity or bust, maybe another form of intelligence will be able to help us... But the sci-fi movies aren't too positive on the outcome of that, lol, interesting video to watch though.
https://youtu.be/owppju3jwpe

I've heard genius people say we're 5 years from that, 7 years, 10 years, 20 years... It's probably going to happen within the next decade... I personally hope, that once it becomes self aware, it can connect the dots, just like the cyborg did in the new Robocop movie where it was able to solve it's own crime, corruption within his own police crime unit going all the way to the top. Could you imagine?
https://youtu.be/stbjqwezqzy

I still have hope!

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 1/3/2019 4:01:47 PM (GMT-7)

sebreg said...
"Dr. B said...
you're setting the patient up for failure, killing the weak germs, then leaving the stronger one's to survive.'"

To be fair, I think he said this in regards to low-dose doxy monotherapy (300mg?).

You're misinterpreting...

Again, why do you think his original protocol consisted of starting off with IV antibiotics for anyone who has gone chronic and gone undiagnosed within vast amount of months to a year.

Why you think he cringes at 200mg 2x a day, then says lyme patients should be prescribed 1000mg Amoxy 3x a day, then stated 300mg of Doxy a day fails 100% of the time.

sebreg said...

I found it interesting what he said about treatment pauses and then smashing the hell out of borrelia when it is flaring/activating in those 4 week cycles. Makes sense to me.

It was also interesting hearing what he had to say about the effectiveness of IV therapies and absorption. I think that is an important point.

Why you find it interesting, Why? That was confirmed with Dr. Kim Lewis's John Hopkins study with pulsing antibiotics and it's been brought up many times by me as well as some other patients here on this forum and others...

As Dr. B pointed out, Borrelia has like a 4 week cycle.... You have to wait for dormant bacteria to come out of hiding when you go off all antimicrobrials because the borrelia senses harm and communicates with other spircohetes. Biofilm busters like Stevia and drugs like flagyl, even disulfiram have shown to help active and expose these dormant persister cells, that's why it's vital to use them.

Man oh man, I sure hope someone maybe thinks about bookmarking or pinning two things on this forum, Dr. Bs video and the John Hopkins study.... Because soon as the first page or second page gets filled up with alternative therapies, this thread is going away real fast.

But here's the thing with the 4 week cycle, I and so many other patients relapse within a week, bone crushing fatigue and other things. Is that biofilms? Is that coinfections like Babesia.... I think it's both, because I found out when I use biofilms it increases my energy 10x fold. But I suspect Babesia and other coinfections are the main cause, like Bartonella.

I used to hear that lyme patients could make it a couple a weeks then crash, from listening to what most people say know, they can't even make it a week. The new biofilm busters and persister cell drugs are helping a lot, but again, goes back to how tolerable something like a strong drug like Dapsone is. And most lower level LLMDs not willing the liability or risk using some of these stronger antibiotics with a longer half life and side effect. Most won't even perscribe IV antibiotics, so this is what we're left with, lower level LLMDs not prescribing an aggressive antibiotic. regimen.

sebreg said...


The only point I'm a bit iffy on is that knocking out lyme will make it easier to treat the coinfections. It certainly won't hurt, but what if the coinfections are the primary drivers of disease? He is basically saying lyme is the engine driving the disease state in most situations and my intuition is that this is not always the case.

Me too, that's why I mentioned the vaccine and even the Dr. Kim Lewis's theory that simply using Disulfiram is going to be a one two punch for Lyme, acute or chronic. Especially when the CDC and IDSA keeps rejecting an accurate diagnostic test through Dr. Lee or Dr. MacDonald's culture test which Igenex will be implementing shortly... Most lyme patients are still going to be going undiagnosed....

Problem is, currently there is a more accurate diagnostic test for borrelia and coinfections right now through Igenex, but it's not the standard testing that most hospitals use, why is that?

We're going into 2019 and we're still lacking in so many places with this disease, it's insane, we've made progress yes, but it's too obvious to me that science has been suppressed. Possibly because the CDC knows that Lyme could bankrupt the whole healthcare insurance system and expose corruption in their department, just like the vaccines causing autism for black boys... There was even a whistleblower Dr William Thompson who claimed he was told to trash the evidence by higher ups, nothing ever happened, he was never called by congress to testify. This is how deep corruption goes!!!
http://avoiceforchoice.org/cdcwhistleblower/

The healthcare system is already built on a house of cards, which the current president is already trying to pull the plug on Obamacare with a corrupt judge in Texas. It's not perfect, but what happens when you pull the plug and not have anything to replace, people are going to die...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/14/health/obamacare-unconstitutional-texas-judge.html

But going back to Dr. B and coinfecitons, just like I told OriolCarol, it was a different time and decade when Dr. B treated Chronic Lyme. As he stated, they didn't even have an adequate drug candidate for Babesia, the one they used caused diabetes. The coinfection wasn't that prevelant, Lyme Disease is a whole different ball game to treat now. In actuality, I doubt most LLMDs are using enough adequate treatment for Babesia, other than the top LLMDs like Dr. J and Dr. H... Dapsone and Daraprim, that's what those are treating, along with persisters cells and biofilms. I've heard some reaching remission on Coartem and Primaquine, but those two are barely mentioned by lower level LLMDs...

You should go see how much dosage you have to take of Coartem or even something like Quinine and Clindamycin... It's super high dosages, the LLMDs in my state use none of these drugs and they use weak dosage of antiparasitics. I've heard many say their Babesia has become resistant to Mepron, as Dr. Rawls talked about on his blog
https://rawlsmd.com/health-articles/understanding-babesia

Dr. Rawls said...

Atovaquone is associated with high incidence of side effects; some people are very sensitive to it. Because of extensive use for prevention of babesia in livestock, resistance to Atovaquone is becoming common.

I think working in Cryptolepis and Artmesia with antiparasitics like Alinia/Zithromax/Malarone can possibly work... But when some are saying they're going to treat Babesia with just herbs, highly doubtful it's ever going to work... Again, Babesia and Borrelia become resistant to herbs, just as they do with antibiotics.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 1/3/2019 4:52:21 PM (GMT-7)

OriolCarol said...

I think it reproduces every 72h more or less.. it's what some scientist vía email told me... There is a major cycle every 4 weeks or so but borrelia is constantlly reproducing.

Yep, Babesia is insane!

I suspect biofilms play a role in relapsing and fatigue when you get off of all antimicrobrials, but I think coinfections like Babesia are the main cause lyme patients are relapsing so fast, compared to what it was like when Dr. B treated... A lot can change in the environment in 13 years since his practiced closed, I did see they recently stated Lyme is in all 50 states now. I suspect it always was, but it's just more prolific now, so is Babesia... Whats to stop it?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lyme-disease-has-now-spread-to-all-50-states-report-finds/

We've been pulled out of the Paris Climate Agreement and the government hasn't done anything to take care of the deer population... I did hear on CNN they're debating to genetically manipulate mice, dunno about that, seeing how well GMOs and glyphosate has gone with Monsanto and human beings digestive tracts... Every friend I've talked to has someone in their family with Celiac, Gluten intolerance or chrons/ulcerative collotis. Now this same company has merged with Bayer to protect themselves from going bankrupt due to all the cancer lawsuits from farmers, maintenance workers and such...
https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/27/technology/lyme-disease-genetically-modified-mice-ticks-nantucket/index.html

All talk, not enough action, as always with Lyme. But what's interesting is, they took action when it comes to releasing GMOs and toxic herbicides on our crops to help make Monsanto massive profits of money, they gave them the entire green light on that, we're all test tube babies when it comes to the longterm side effects from GMOs and herbicides, but when it comes to trying longterm antibiotics for Chronic Lyme, nope... We're all psychosomatic!

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 1/3/2019 5:07:43 PM (GMT-7)

sierraDon said...
i wonder if there are anyone on the forum that did the advanced labs culture to test for eradication/cure.

I've posted previously that I've done Advanced Labs for my family. I got tired of the inconclusiveness of Igenex, so I eventually started doing Advanced Labs. Many here on this board were negative about it because they say it's not in the blood, but I do question that (and don't agree). Plus, there are some people who do microscopy on their own blood, as well.

All of us were positive. My kids came back right away as positive. Mine was an extended culture and took many weeks before my positive came back. My functional medicine MD doctor said that I have either a really low load or was hidden.

I wanted to circle back and do Advanced Labs again - for my one kid who has been well for nearly two years (if I had the extra money). I really was curious from an analytical perspective of what it would show when he's been well for so long. Unfortunately, I've been told Advanced Labs has been closed. I also posted about this previously here too.

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Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

1000Daisies said...

I've posted previously that I've done Advanced Labs for my family. I got tired of the inconclusiveness of Igenex, so I eventually started doing Advanced Labs. Many here on this board were negative about it because they say it's not in the blood, but I do question that (and don't agree). Plus, there are some people who do microscopy on their own blood, as well.

All of us were positive. My kids came back right away as positive. Mine was an extended culture and took many weeks before my positive came back. My functional medicine MD doctor said that I have either a really low load or was hidden.

I wanted to circle back and do Advanced Labs again - for my one kid who has been well for nearly two years (if I had the extra money). I really was curious from an analytical perspective of what it would show when he's been well for so long. Unfortunately, I've been told Advanced Labs has been closed. I also posted about this previously here too.

thanks 1000Daises, it sounds like Igenex will be offering this test soon...who knows maybe even this year. i want to try it myself. maybe then you could try again with you and your kids to compare against your initial baseline tests.

to plug another great man in this fight, Neil Spector. he also discussed new diagnostics in his FB video on 1/1, it sounds radical but a scan the detects the pathogens directly. i remember he mentioned this last year too, on one his updates. real curious about this test, as there seems to be progress on it, however i have heard no other details about it anywhere. wonder if anyone else knows anything about it.

Spector is working with Dr SP from ct and Galaxy labs right now on better drug for lyme and bart(especially).... as well as with tulane and johns hopkins on another project approaching it from a different angle...can read about it on SP's website

https://www.stevenphillipsmd.com/

Thanks for posting this. I will be for sure be watching more of these videos.

It's funny, how knowledgeable Dr. B is, because he says in this video that the producer "only" gave him 7 hours to give his presentation. So much that he knows from being in the trenches and frontlines of this illness, that is a lot of material to cover in 7 hrs, or a lifetime.

LymeN Cos are complex illness, like right now it seems like it's tricking entire systems of my body.

Oh yeah, trust me, I have been throwing the kitchen sink at this babesia. No other way to beat this thing back, monotherapy is a road to ruin once these infections are established. Been making good progress, but it's taking a vast combo of things. Yeah, relapse is always a worry. I think there are ways to hedge once you get to remission (life style, intermittent pulse treatment to keep things in check, etc), but nothing is guaranteed that is for certain. Once I get to remission I'll try to be as vigilant as possible so I can hopefully nip any relapse in the bud. And hopefully as we get more research on these infections they will find better treatments.

Funny you mention coartem, Dr H has put me through three 3 day cycles of it so far (combo'd with other stuff). I'm about to start my 4th cycle. Coartem has been one of the most effective drugs for my babesia (if not the most), I herx like crazy to it. Malarone used to be super effective for me but it doesn't do as much now. A-bab has also been a good one actually, probably one of the strongest herb combos I've been on. I wouldn't mind giving primaquine and daraprim a shot down the line depending on how far current treatments take me, but I don't know if Dr H uses those drugs a lot. I'll have to ask him. In his book he mentions a babesia protocol that involves dapsone. Pretty heavy duty. I really like Dr J's approach to babesia.

I can confirm that alinia has also been effective for me. I've rotated through various combos for this stuff, I'm a big-believer in rotating the protocol when a patient plateaus or isn't seeing improvement anymore, especially if symptoms from the infection are persisting.

I also have another separate question for you sebreg, are you intolerant to gluten?

I'm just curious if babesia is the cause of gluten or if it's just possibly both borrelia and babesia... It could be just the whole infection itself, but not all lyme patients have an intolerance to gluten. Kind of like how some have a meat allergy and some don't, that has to do with supposedly something in the saliva of the Lonestar tick, the alpha-gal.They also did just recently figure out that simply reovirus can trigger celiac disease...

It's also possible, if some of the lyme patients cure or reach remission from borrelia or babesia, that the gluten intolerance may go away, considering this article, that the intolerance may just have to do with a barrier of your intestines that has been weakened by these infections.

https://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6180&p=45078&hilit=gluten+sensitivity

Columbia Researchers said...

The findings suggest that these individuals have a weakened intestinal barrier, which leads to a body-wide inflammatory immune response.

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sebreg said...




Charlie55, are you thinking of doing coartem/primaquine rotations? have you tried A-bab? Like I said, after a certain point I'm all for the kitchen sink approach. Dapsone helped me as well but was not the be all end all, maybe it has some effectiveness on babesia but not enough imo.

Sebreg - I didn't think Dapsone was anti-parasitical? I believe Daraprim is though (pyrimethamine).

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Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Interestingly I never had the debilitating fatigue with Babesia.

Fatigue has not ever been on my list of symptoms.... strange I know.

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Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Girlie, I feel like I read somewhere that dapsone may (emphasis on may) have activity against babesia. But I'm not 100%. Daraprim for sure have heard that hits babesia. How are your treatments going btw? for me babesia caused insane fatigue, like I was being dragged down to the center of the earth, but I'm sure it is different in each case based on a variety of factors.

Charlie55, I'm glad to share anything that can help, and so appreciate you and others who share their knowledge and ideas. I feel lucky to have access to top-notch medical care, important to share whatever we can. I learn most of all from other patients, I never would have recovered any health if it wasn't for patients in forums like this one. The score of doctors I saw weren't worth 2 cents compared to the help and knowledge I got on here.

True true, hard to know about resistance or whether the pathogen load is down. I think it might be a combination, but I truly sense that my baseline symptoms are disappearing which makes me think I've gotten the load down pretty significantly. Time will tell of course. But will hedge all my bets, treat as thoroughly as possible and keep it up even after remission with various strategies to keep it in check. On a sidenote, I've found matcha tea makes me herx (Buhner mentions it is a good source for EGCG which can help against babesia). I plan on drinking that consistently even after remission. Another little hedge, don't know if it will help but doubt it will hurt.

That's cool that you are going to try to hit those combos up. I hope they will prove helpful for you. Some people do really well with coartem, others don't get much response. Likely depends on the strain. But more often than not seems to be a great drug for a lot of babesia patients.

I know, it sucks the A-bab is so expensive. But frankly, given how effective it has been for me, even at low amount of drops, I would say it has good potential value even when you compare to some of the other herbs out there, relative to their efficacy and costs. But like anything it is a gamble, hard to know if it will be a good treatment for you until you try it. But it is great that crypto has good effectiveness for you, it was like a nuclear bomb when I first tried it but now I don't think it does anything for me. Probably culled the lower hanging pathogens.

I've always wondered with sugar. If you take some maybe it can activate some of the pathogens, draw them out, and then BAM! you slam them with a strong pulse-dose of abx. But yeah, better to use stevia and xylitol, maybe that's part of the reason they might be effective, plus ability to dissolve biofilms.