Keto Diet: Beneficial or not?

I forgot to mention this earlier, too...

Regarding carbs/sugar feeding cancer:

"... it has become obvious that many non-glucose nutrients, such as amino acids, lactate, acetate and macromolecules, can serve as alternative fuels for cancer cells. This knowledge reveals an unexpected flexibility and evolutionarily-conserved model in which cancer cells uptake nutrients from their external environment to fulfill their necessary energetic needs."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc4380238

As someone who is painfully recovering from a dietary "cheat" day (yesterday I had my fill of fast food and whatnot), I am looking forward to that clarity that comes from a ketogenic state or intermittent fasting.

Two things I didn't see mentioned in the above discussion:
1) micronutrients and
2) how starch in potatoes changes after cooling down.

about caloric quality, I think micronutrients are underrated. The produce section yields great nutritional benefit to those in the know, and even more so for those with advanced herbal and medicinal knowledge.

Starch in baked potatoes changes when refrigerated.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that the starchy nature of potatoes (even white ones) changes once they cool down, they become something healthier, fiber or something like that, whereas plain old starchy white spuds freshly baked and hot converts very readily to glucose in the bloodstream leading to spikes in blood sugar levels which isn't healthy for some people.

And astroman lol yeah whoever came up with the food pyramid was drunk on subsidies or something, knowing what I know now about nutrition, that pyramid with the suggested servings of bread and cereals per day was straight up money-driven advertisement from a few of those Big Food Co's and just mostly grain product-pushing propaganda.

There's something to be said for eating mostly or only veggies and lean meats strictly and then maybe having an "eat-and-drink-your-fill-of-anything" day per week.

So I'll go back to my cabbage and superfood salads now, and I'll pan fry some beef or chicken to go with it.

Last thought about keto, yes I personally think it is beneficial, particularly the autophagy aspect as I can literally feel my system cleaning itself out significantly during a fasting state.

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sebreg said...
But if you eat a cake diet for instance, don't a lot of the refined sugars and substitutes drive metabolic disorders where a calorie is not actually just a calorie? I mean sure, you can lose weight on that diet at proper caloric intake, but it's like a weaponized calorie with collateral damage. I understand that you are talking about weight, but weight doesn't indicate health. There are many people who could eat low calorie (but lots of processed foods and refined sugars) and be "skinny" but body composition is actually "fat" on the inside with metabolic dysregulation.

Imo most beneficial thing a patient with chronic illness can do diet-wise is completely cut out refined sugars.

The answer to this question is "no" when eaten in appropriate quantities. Most Americans eat too much food and it becomes harmful. In lower quantities, there are no excess calories to cause metabolic issues in most people. There is about a 10% fraction that do have issues. As for the donut diet, the blood parameters actually improve across the board.

I know what you are trying to say and I agree with you. When I give a lecture on weight loss, I often talk about "weight loss" and I talk about "health." Weight loss and health can be two very different things. I would not want to put a Lyme patient on a weight loss program because their health could suffer.

I've done the body composition modification multiple times over the years and coached others with much success. This is a different road I have gone down from my research on Lyme. I've tried to interconnect the two as much as possible from the biochemical standpoint but weigh loss is much simpler. Eat the right number of calories and the weight will come off. Most people just don't eat the right number of calories.

I'm sorry Astro, I mentioned you incorrectly on that post. That one should have been to jb.

For all those that see LLMDs like Girlie:

Are you LLMDs encouraging Keto Diets?
What is your LLMD official word on food?

Anyone who's LLMD recommends a ketogenic diet, have them email me. I will provide them with enough scientific literature to change their mind.

Girlie said...
Is the Keto diet what the Atkins bars were? (are?)

I remember that fad - about 20 year’s ago.

No, there different. Atkins people did lose weight from low carbs so it was a weight loss plan, not a health diet. It did work though, not rocket science,. I knew overweight people who were on it. Some went on to learn more healthy alternatives though. People not "health minded" and more "weight loss minded" generally fail with food disciplines..

Atkins bars in the pharmacy dept vs the cereal / granola isle. They are generally high protien, low sugar , low carb. I wish they made them in GF and added sugar free, milk free, but I never seen any.

Keto diet: is keto is a high-fat diet, not necessarily high protein, also a very low-carb diet, where the body turns fat into ketones for use as energy, they like bacon (I do too lol). This supposedly reduces hunger, increases fat burning and some other stuff. To do it right one needs to keep the bodies ketones in range somehow - I forgot.

I dont understand how this would benefit lymies ? Or why one would think so ? oh well...

Post Edited (astroman) : 1/17/2019 8:57:57 AM (GMT-7)

Good to get this post back on track- Keto.

**Was your llmd just casually saying keto (lower carbs and sugar) or he really new what "true" keto involved?**

Obviously one can be low sugar and lower carb without doing the full on "true" keto diet, which can be beneficial for gut flora and blood glucose balance in many people.

I stated earlier, I've done low starchy carb / low sugar when candida was high (per test too) and tried it with recent suspected SIBO bacteria (which felt a little different than candida I'm used to from past). Diabetics obviously do this, but not full keto.

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At 220 and 6-3 you weren't little lol !

Curious as to your body fat percent back then if you knew it. ? A lot of muscle can blend in with body fat which works great for muscular big guys, big advantage for some.

I've always had a toned/lean medium build with veins popping out vs "skinny fat", but could never get that big in muscular size, I tried and gave up going for "big".

Im pretty low body fat for early 50's averaging 10% at just under 6 ft / 165 lbs which is the lightest I've been since 19 years old, but it fits me and I feel good. This was a 10 lb drop in six months from low sugar on top of my already mostly paleo, healthy/balanced food amounts / requirements. I feel like im in my 20's again. People think Im 40.

I was 18% body fat (high for me) 3-5 years ago with lyme and lyme treatment, working out was impossible for almost a year as muscles / tendons did not recover for weeks. I had to settle for stretching only, which really sucked. With lyme I looked pretty rough too, almost my actual age. Felt way older.

My highest fitness at 30 years I was 180# with 6-8 % body fat. But I was a calorie burning competitive machine back then, built similar to the more muscular pro swimmers. I ate anything then, I had lyme but that was a low symptom year.

Endurance competition (25 years for me) is certainly not the way to heal chronic lingering illness. What we do when Drs say your fine, ya right Dr. No internet back then, all I had was libraries and Drs.

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Initial lyme symptoms in late 80's, again with bullseye early 90's. Started ABX 2014, ended in Jan 2016. Flares ended after. Lyme "B gone" as far as I can tell (Cured?). Now: Healing the aftermath-Rebuilding / fine tuning / fixing muscles and still improving nutrition and immune via better gut health. + 20 years of Hashimoto might now be improving.

Just how much lyme bacteria (BB) are in Lymies guts?? Prob not much if any.

My gut health fanatic LLMD was not concerned about carbs/sugar with Lyme as much as below:

It could help with candida and sometimes SIBO, for those who get this (no fun). But no need to go full on KETO to accomplish that.

Lowering sugar and carbs helps in digestive Candida because they do feed off this and this yeast is in the digestive tract if you have this condition. And its temporary. As far as SIBO it seems to feed of undigested sugar in FODMAP foods........because its undigested in some people and moves down the line. Normally it would not go undigested, so no food for SIBO then.

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Initial lyme symptoms in late 80's, again with bullseye early 90's. Started ABX 2014, ended in Jan 2016. Flares ended after. Lyme "B gone" as far as I can tell (Cured?). Now: Healing the aftermath-Rebuilding / fine tuning / fixing muscles and still improving nutrition and immune via better gut health. + 20 years of Hashimoto might now be improving.