Is it possible to have babesia without any of the classic sweats, chills, fever, air hunger, cough?
Absolutely, a lot of these coinfections can lie dormant and may seem like you just have a borrelia infection, but you could have babesia and bartonella.
It wasn't until I treated with primaquine, then some coartem, then following up with daraprim, that I started getting sweats in my beds at night, fevers, air hunter, and cough. It then took 3-4 months of following up with babesia herbs like csa formula/a-bab and iodine for my bartonella to finally flare up, before that I didn't really have any bartonella symptoms at all. And really, the only babesia symptom I noticed was bad fatigue.
Before for the first 5-6 years, I still functioned in my day to day life, playing in sports, working, etc... Not knowing that I hadn't successfully erradicated babesia and bartonella, even though a Michigan LLMD thought I had erradicated Babesia with just 3 months of treatment.
It's a very hard to comprehend I know, but these pathogens can lie dormant and it isn't until you hit them effectively with the right antibiotic drug, antiparasitic drug, or herb.... That you see the direct symptoms related to each coinfection... Especially bartonella, this is a great example where this woman no matter what antibiotic she tried for bartonella, nothing ever worked, until she used pyrazinamide. That's when her body responded and began making antibodies for bartonella the first time and her bloodwork came back positive for bartonella. Before that, she did to have some obvious signs of bartonella, but not all of us do, until you knock babesia back. https://youtu.be/bzu0weofvm8?t=5979
There's a new drug that's out that's killing babesia/borrelia, and waking up bartonella, it's called disulfiram. Babesia is very hard to eradicate especially if you have Babesia duncani.
I have head pressure and very severe mental exhaustion/ emotional and mood stuff but none of those symptoms. Is it crazy to suspect babesia without any of the classic symptoms.
Explain your neurological symptoms better, do you feel anxiety, agitated, rage, mind racing, intrusive thoughts or OCD like symptoms because that's more bartonella.
Babesia can be depression, exhaustive state which you're kind of describing...
Problem is the CDC as well as many other websites have a poor list of symptoms to describe these coinfections, as many chronic lyme patients have a lot more dominant symptoms they haven't even talked about
. Here's a decent site that talks about
some symptoms related to each, problems I think a lot of these sites aren't explaining to chronic lyme patients that many of the symptoms can lie dormant, until you treat each coinfection properly, but hey everyone's different. Some have no spleen and babesia symptoms are quite obvious!https://www.prohealth.com/library/a-deep-look-at-the-symptoms-of-six-major-lyme-related-infections-41139
Other things to look for in bartonella are sore feet, electric shocks in feet, racing heart, red burning eyes, TMJ, soar thraot/gerd, and of course the main one which is the scratch/stretch marks.
Babesia can be just super bad fatigue, night sweats, and chills... And some say look for those red dots.
Problem is both coinfections can have some of the same overlapping symptoms, I've heard both Bart and Bab can cause insomnia, heart palpitations, and anxiety. You have to look for the one's that stand out like the night sweats(babesia) or stretch marks(bartonella).
And when you treat with a protocol, how does your body respond, do you herx very violently, could be a good sign, do you get better, also could be a good sign. Chances are if you're in the early stage of chronic lyme treatment, you'll probably feel worse before you get better, meaning there may be an increase of inflammation, muscle twitching, anxiety, shaking, maybe even lyme seizures when you herx. But afterwards you should feel better and a little relief, as treatment progresses and inflammation/autoimmunity comes down, it will be easier to pick out specific symptoms, herxing, and if you're responding to each drug or herb.
Has anyone had this themselves or know anyone else that had babesia without these symptoms?
Yes it's quite common for chronic lyme with coinfections to have these symptoms, hard to say if babesia, again you should so some antiparasitics and see if you respond: alinia, flagyl, tindamax, malarone, mepron, plaquenil, artesunate, coartem, daraprim, dapsone, disulfiram or the herbs such as a-bab, csa formula, or cryptolepis. For me the only herbs to notice quite a bit of difference was being on a-bab because of the strong potency I suspect, some of the other one's like crypto, sida acuta or csa may take a bit longer to feel relief.
I was on antibiotics for about
a 1 1/2 years and they did nothing, until I used flagyl with zithromax and malarone. But for some, mild antiparasitic drugs probably won't be strong enough to eradicate Babesia. And most need to be on an antiparasitic protocol for 6-12 month or more. That's why I personally think starting off with a strong antiparasitic drug like alinia, artesunate, daraprim, dapsone or coartem for a few weeks or months depending on a particular drug, then follow up with herbs for 4-6 months would be better and a lot safer. I can't imagine being on mepron for 6-12 months, remind you the drug is overused in livestock anyway and babesia is building up a resistant to it. Some of the protocols LLMDs are outdated and just aren't working like they used to, as well as for bartonella.
In my opinion, gotta incorporate both herbs and antibiotic/antiparasitic drug to get the most efficient treatment for chronic lyme and coinfections. However, some do go just herbs and that may be worth a try, but if you're in a really bad state of health, it may be better starting off with antibiotics and herbs, then slowly trickle off with herbs.
Post Edited (Charlie55) : 9/17/2019 9:49:03 PM (GMT-6)