Georgia Hunter said...
If ammonia comes from borrelia and bartonella, why doesn't everyone with those bacteria have excessive ammonia?Everyone with those bacteria don't even get sick much less have excessive ammonia.
There's some LLMDs like Dr. J that believe that Babesia is the dominant infection for a lot of chronic lyme patients. For me, none of the antibiotics worked until I incorporated an antiparasitic of some sort like Flagy, and even then I never herxed like any of the lyme patients in Under Our Skin Documentary or YouTube Videos. The logic is, if you dont eradicate babesia or at least have knock it back, then efficiently killing Borrelia or Bartonella will be never significant enough to put the disease in remission, so I suspect there's hardly any die off toxins such as ammonia or herxing symptoms. So one would suspect when they do knock babesia back enough, that the die off toxins and herxing symptoms would become quite severe.
For me, even when I made a breakthrough with Flagyl or Malarone or Zithromax and Doxy, I never really herxed like others, which meant the lyme like seizures, shakes, tremors anxiety, cognitive impairment of any sort. I felt a very mild herx for the most part... I suspect those that are suffering from severe herxes like seen in the documentary Under Our Skin or YouTube videos either have just a borrelia infection or a borrelia/bartonella infection, possibly other bacterial coinfections like mycoplasma.
So again, I think this is why many with Babesia don't feel any herx or relief with antibiotics, a lot of lyme patients are reporting this in modern day... And even if they use something like malarone or mepron for 5-6 six months it's kind of mild.
I didn't suffer any of the hexheimer reactions until I finally tried the primaquine and coartem protocol, then artesunate, then 3-4 months of csa formula/a-bab... Then felt a real life lyme seizure and it felt like total hell. Also suffered tremors for a few days, as well as other weird symptoms I've never experienced that before.
It's very possible that babesia is so resistant to mepron and malarone now, like Dr. Rawls hinted to on his blog, that due to the overuse of these drugs in livestock that babesia has become resistant. And like the new Babesia study said from Yale, Babesia had quote "found that the parasite has low susceptibility to these therapies."https://news.yale.edu/2018/11/29/yale-scientists-develop-new-system-study-emerging-tickborne-disease
I suspect that certain strains of Babesia like Babesia Duncani may be so resistant that something like Primaquine or Tafenoquine may have to be used to hit the dormant forms persister cells, also to wake it up and kill most of it, then follow up with something like Coartem or Dapsone/Daraprim, then maybe 3-4 months of csa formula/a-bab.
And what do a lot of lyme patients report saying after they've knocked babesia back, they're then experiencing bartonella like symptoms.
But I tested high (not very high - just a few points out of range) in August 2018 - at that time I was on Babesia protocol - Mepron, mino and Ceftin
I didnt test again until I went back to the clinic the following March because I couldn’t get it done here.
At that point I had completed several rounds of Persister protocol which included D and D.
My result was higher (I think just one point higher) and it was considered in range. ( just barely)
No one could explain why the range changed and why I was now considered in range when the result went up by a point
Why did Girlie's ammonia symptoms spike after Dr. J had her on a antiparasitic persister cell protocol with drugs like dapsone or daraprim? From what I remember reading, dapsone doesn't affect the microbiome similar to disulfiram, and I doubt that something like daraprim could create SIBO or any of the antiparasitic drugs she used.
You know could I also have SIBO and leaky gut that's causing some of these psych symptoms and high ammonia, possibly!!! And I'll have to incorporate a new diet and supplements just in case, however a lot of the psych symptoms from SIBO are very much similar to Bartonella, as well as other things like leaky gut.
The problem is, I don't have any other traditional SIBO symptoms like abdominal discomfort, bloating, diarrhea, constipation, gas or belching. Again, I do share some the psych symptoms related to SIBO and possibly leaky gut, but it seems I have some of the more severe bartonella symptoms electrical shocks in my feet, occasionally sore feet, floaters in my eyes, TMJ, racing heart in the morning, and a long scratch mark that was on my back. As well as flares of arthritis and pins/needles at night, which other bartonella patients report. Majority of these symptoms have gone away after being on bactrim and omnief for 1 1/2 months, as well as mino.
What's interesting is, after reading more about
SIBO, SIBO also has a relation to POTS and other bartonella like symptoms such as heart palpitations. What if it's possible if these two criss cross at times? Bartonella causes SIBO and just like Dr. Hirsch says, just about
everyone has bartonella in their body?
I think what it comes down to is, everyone's gotta go with their own intuition and make decisions themselves how they treat, but I suspect my dominant infection is bartonella now and that's what I'll treat. However, there's no reason why I can't cut out yogurt/kevif and instead go with unpasteurised sauerkraut and probiotic pills, enzyme pills, as well as cut out all high carb/sugar foods to treat SIBO.
Georgia Hunter said...
That article says nothing that I don't already believe. It says that bartonella may play a role in causing that person's schizophrenia. I think it does too but it has a lot of help. Do you think toxoplasmosis just lays dormant and doesn't ever try to grow and thrive? One's immune response keeps it in check until it can't. Lyme or bartonella is a situation where it causes the immune system to "it can't."
Very much could I suspect, as I've been mentioning what you said to sebreg and others. Another parasite that the CDC/IDSA claims is mild... But again, like you said, what if it's woken up. What if something like glyphosate creates an imbalanced microbiome and suppresed immune system allowing for something like toxoplasmosis to thrive.
Georgia Hunter said...
I think antibiotic therapy doesn't have to play a role at all in causing an imbalanced microbiome.
Thank you for clarifying... That's good to hear, sounds like you have a similarities in what Krimpet said. I also believe both lyme and coinfections, plus longterm antibiotics could create an altered terrain for different organisms to thrive and an overall create an imbalanced microbiome.
I just hope that something like disulfiram benefits lyme patients for this reason becasue it doesn't kill healthy culutures in your microbiome, but I suspect it may not be enough for bartonella and maybe some of the very drug resistant strains of Babesia like duncani.
I'll say this, after reading more about
SIBO and imbalanced microbiome, it has definitely swayed me to be on a more well regulated diet. I mean before I'd always choose plain yogurt and kefir, but even plain yogurt has lactose and kefir has 12g of sugar in a serving. And on occasion I'd still eat some foods that had some carbs in them...
I think there could be a relation to SIBO and Borrelia/Bartonella all causing high ammonia problems, but I still suspect Babesia and Bartonella are still the dominant infections, and until we get those out of the way, taking care of borrelia or the SIBO makes it very very hard....
That's my thought process, I appreciate your input Georgia Hunter, it's been very educative and made me do more in-depth search on SIBO, thinking outside the box more.
This was an interesting blog post here by another person that developed severe Anxiety/OCD/Intrusive Thoughts from taking a Tetracycline antibiotic. Question is, did he really have SIBO or did he also wake up another dormant infection like Bartonella or something else, maybe even Toxoplasmosis? He claimed to also have abdominal pains, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. https://www.foodsmatter.com/allergy_intolerance/personal_histories/articles/jonnys-story-05-13.html
I read some scary scenarios who SIBO are sometimes intertwined with cirrhosis, crohns, celiac disease, IBS, low stomach acid, diabetes, and even pancreatitis.
Out of all those I suspect I have only one, which possibly celiac disease, but I never tested positive, I may just have a gluten intolerance. However, if new research suggests that a simple mild virus like Reo Virus can trigger Celicacs, I'd say Lyme or Bartonella could probably trigger it too, so I may ave Celiac Disease. https://news.uchicago.edu/story/seemingly-innocuous-virus-can-trigger-celiac-disease
Chronic Lyme is without a doubt a very complex multisystemic disease and as more ticks come down with new pathogens like Parvo Virus, Heartland Virus, and Borrelia mayonii.... I'm just not sure if I'll be hunting or fishing anymore in the woods... Now we also have this EEE Virus that has killed to more residents in Michigan, making the total come to 6.https://wwjnewsradio.radio.com/articles/news/2-more-deaths-eee-virus-michigan
I just hope more people start acknowledging climate change and how our milder winters are extremely changing the eco system allowing all types of bugs and pathogens to thrive.
Georgia Hunter said...
Did you consider that antimicrobrial therapy and chemotherapy kill more than just bartonella? It would kill at least 10 times more....
Sure, but I still wonder why they used chemo when the CDC/IDSA acts as if the bacteria is very mild and isn't very drug resistant, just like how they acted with Babesia... That's what I'm hinting too... I think they've been improperly reporting about
the severity and symptoms of these pathogens and it may be done purposely to confuse the public, which in return makes more money for big pharma with their disease management and symptoms maintenace pills, along with covering up the side effects from Monsanto's herbicide Glyphosate.
I think down the road, crony capitalism will teach human beings more how to seperate business and government, that's if it doesn't kill us and the planet first.
What's good is, the more I talk to people, the more people are bringing up Glyphosate, as well as other things like lyme disease. I think more of the public is waking up, but what a lot of people don't realize is how glyhposate acts as an antibiotic and creates an imbalanced microbiome that can lead to all sorts of autoimmune diseases and disorders like crohns, celiac, thyroid disease, fibromyalgia and possibly even Lupus, Parkinsons, MS... How long this will be kept under the rug, I'm not sure, but people are slowly learning...
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