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Disulfram - risky treatment, if heavy metals are in body?

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MartinK
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Posted 12/2/2019 9:05 AM (GMT -7)
Hi all, today Disulfram finally arrived!
I studied the maximum before starting treatment, but one last thing makes me little bit confused!

We all know, disulfram chelating copper (and nickel I think). But - what about other metals?
Is there a risk of releasing heavy metals and causing toxicity?

Looks like no studies are about this - and its totally clear, lot of alcoholic patients have full mouth of amalgam fillings...

I have only last 2 amalgams in my mouth and waiting for removal this winter.
Hair test of heavy metals shows no problem with mercury in my cause (surprise!), only shows higher lead (no idea why - negative surprise).

Some patients on FB group warns against DSF x heavy metals, some had amalgams in mouth too and without problems in treatment... Looks like no LLMD or CFS specialists talking about possible high risk.

Has anyone seen any serious article about this?

I want to start really soon, because Im really weak last months without treatment. But I don't want to cause any further deterioration otherwise I'll be totally bedridden.
Herxes...sure! Want it! But no more heavy metals toxicity and neuro problems...

Thanks for some opinions...it will certainly help more people ;-)
Martin
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Cignet☄️
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Posted 12/2/2019 9:23 AM (GMT -7)
I don't think it would cause you any harm. A lot of people are desperate to get better and of course, worried about having bad reactions and so I think they worry themselves about nothing - sometimes. Of course, it's perfectly reasonable to be concerned but I think in some instances people are not willing to take the risk because of all the worrying and then people come along with incorrect info.

Really, I'd just go for it, especially if you're removing the fillings soon. Especially if you tested negative for mercury. The lead will probably not be a problem so long as you detox properly.

I was really scared of neuropathy and herxing prior to starting. Fortunately, I haven't had too bad an experience of either since starting. I could have been sitting here getting worse and worse but I went for it.

Here's info from the group about metals:

METALS and DSF:
We have been advised by a very trusted source to avoid metals while on DSF. This goes against so much we have been supplementing as routine for years that we may not realize are possibly binding with the DSF to a toxic level and storing in the brain and body. What to do then? Look to your diet for increasing these healthy minerals without over supplementing while on DSF.

Here's a reference to help you:
Calcium builds bones and teeth; activates enzymes throughout the body; helps regulate blood pressure; and helps muscles to contract, nerves to send messages, and blood to clot.
Chromium helps maintain normal blood sugar levels and helps cells draw energy from blood sugar.
Copper assists with metabolizing fuel, making red blood cells, regulating neurotransmitters, and mopping up free radicals.
Iron helps make hemoglobin (the oxygen-carrying chemical in the body's red blood cells) and myoglobin (a protein in muscle cells). Iron is essential for activating certain enzymes and for making amino acids, collagen, neurotransmitters, and hormones.
Magnesium, like calcium, builds bones and teeth. It also helps to regulate blood pressure and blood sugar and enables muscles to contract, nerves to send messages, blood to clot, and enzymes to work.
Manganese helps form bones and helps metabolize amino acids, cholesterol, and carbohydrates.
Molybdenum activates several enzymes that break down toxins and prevents the buildup of harmful sulfites in the body.
Potassium balances fluids in the body, helps to maintain a steady heartbeat and to make muscles contract, and may benefit bones and blood pressure.
Sodium balances fluids in the body, helps send nerve impulses, and helps make muscles contract.
Zinc helps blood clot, helps make proteins and DNA, bolsters the immune system, and helps with wound healing and cell division.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/precious-metals-and-other-important-minerals-for-health
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Posted 12/2/2019 9:24 AM (GMT -7)
It seems like you're taking all the right steps. Best of luck, I wish you health.
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skinny_joe
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Posted 12/2/2019 10:09 AM (GMT -7)
There are plenty of folks taking it with fillings on the FB group. Its a weak chelator of heavy metals. It does like copper though.
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JovaLyme
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Posted 12/2/2019 4:25 PM (GMT -7)
Disulfiram does chelate copper, which is possibly why some people, myself included, end up with neuropathy on disulfiram. In fact, that is the only thing I can put my neuropathy down to.

Copper deficiency is linked to neuropathy and I've read a study that says taking too much zinc can also cause copper deficiency and neuropathy. It would seem that taking zinc along with disulfiram could be risky for some, but I know some are taking zinc along with it.
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oregonhay
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Posted 12/2/2019 5:51 PM (GMT -7)
Glad you got your disulfiram. Please take it low and slow. the 62.5 and 125mg the longest. Don't rush it!

you don't actually want to herx, just enough to barely trigger it and then back off a little bit. The herx should be every 3-4 days and shouldn't be super intense. Continue at the dosage until a few weeks with no herx before increasing dosage. Herxes are bad for your health. Be safe and considerate, just let it do its thing.

if you can read about what I talked about the load up dosage, waiting for a lyme life cycle, etc on the other threads.
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MartinK
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Posted 12/3/2019 11:07 AM (GMT -7)
Yeah, great news - Im happy with no more worries about HEAVY METALS X DSF.
I will start really slow like instructions on disulfram.net and see what happens!

Now Im on big suplementation with B-vitamins, preparing body with aggressive lipid replacement (balance oils + policosanol), zinc suplementation and some electrolytes.

I have sparkling form of DSF (better absorption) and looks like a good idea, take this inside enteric coated capsules.
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Cignet☄️
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Posted 12/3/2019 11:14 AM (GMT -7)
Martin K

I'm not sure if that's a good idea, the effervescent in the enteric capsules, it might make you sick.

If you take the effervescent one, take it normally and the zinc should take care of the rest.

Effervescent capsules in the intestines might give you a really bad stomachache. Be careful. It's cheap so maybe get some of the normal kind too if you want to use capsules.
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MartinK
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Posted 12/3/2019 12:31 PM (GMT -7)
UnsightlyCignet☄️:

This idea with effervescent capsules is for minimalize risk of neuropathy. Maybe let DSF sparkling and only then put in soluble capsules?
I know some patients do this setup and this really helps with their neuropathy.
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Cignet☄️
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Posted 12/3/2019 12:53 PM (GMT -7)
MartinK

Effervescent form in capsules means that it'll do what it does in the water, in your intestines. I think that might cause a stomach upset. I understand you're worried about neuropathy. You can try it at least once and see how it goes.

In the capsules it would be best to put the normal disulfiram, not the effervescent one. It will still work, but you might feel unwell. Let us know how you get on.

Also the neuropathy is cancelled out when you take zinc, make sure to take at least 50mg with the disulfiram. Some people take it 3 times a day.
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Post Edited (UnsightlyCignet☄️) : 12/3/2019 1:00:54 PM (GMT-7)

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Posted 12/3/2019 10:46 PM (GMT -7)

JovaLyme said...
Disulfiram does chelate copper, which is possibly why some people, myself included, end up with neuropathy on disulfiram. In fact, that is the only thing I can put my neuropathy down to.

Copper deficiency is linked to neuropathy and I've read a study that says taking too much zinc can also cause copper deficiency and neuropathy. It would seem that taking zinc along with disulfiram could be risky for some, but I know some are taking zinc along with it.

Its not the copper, its the Acetaldehyde

Somebody said...
Acetaldehyde is toxic to peripheral nerves. There are increased levels of acetaldehyde produced during ethanol metabolism. If the acetaldehyde is not metabolized quickly the nerves may be affected by the accumulation of acetaldehyde to toxic levels.

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