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Szabo246
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Posted 12/4/2019 2:49 AM (GMT -8)
After my miscarriage I have been so lazy with my treatment. I stopped all treatment for a while, have since started but this is what I’m taking:
Houttuynia
Crypto
Sida
Dan shen
Cordyceps
Milk thistle

I’ve only been taking 10 drops once a day. Need to ramp this up and start treating properly again. I’m starting artemisinin today and I also want to take cbd oil and monolaurin.

My question is, do I need to take any of these at seperate times or can they be taken together?
The artemisinin I’m doing 3 days on 7 off.

In terms of supplements I’m taking b complex and mag citrate.

Thank you in advance, any advice would be appreciated.
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auzzie
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Posted 12/4/2019 8:34 AM (GMT -8)
I am so sorry about your miscarriage. I know that is hard and definitely the kind of thing that would take the wind out o your sails.
I don't know the Buhner protocols that well - I tried it but I was allergic to so many parts of it I just gave up and had to work out my own protocol. I wouldn't be able to give you the advice you need.
But just having a quick look at what you are on now and what you want to take I think you should do monolauren it kills lyme and the herbs you are taking are not specific for lyme. It also kills viruses and would have some action against the co-infections you are treating.
I had to do a lot of research to work out my way through and I have challenges still. But from my own experience killing the lyme made the biggest difference. Detoxing and organ support for your symptoms comes a very close second. Right up there with all these is making food your medicine. I know you have been through a period of high stress for me it means I will eat for comfort and not nutrition. A clean healthy low carb diet makes food good medicine and is very important.
All the best.
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saraeli
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Posted 12/4/2019 10:46 AM (GMT -8)
If you add in a binder, then time it away from everything else. Ditto with a probiotic.

Sounds like you are focused on immune support and Bartonella, is that right? Are you hoping to go after Lyme specifically?

Raise those dosages very slowly. Monolaurin, artemisinin, and some of the others you mentioned can be heavy-hitters!

I think it's really good that you took a break after your miscarriage, honestly. Your body and spirit needed time to process and recalibrate. Do you feel like your hormonal systems are all in good shape - adrenal, pituitary, thyroid, etc.? If not, then there are a lot of herbal or nutritional ways to balance those.
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Posted 12/4/2019 12:46 PM (GMT -8)
I would start over and start simply. The herbs you are taking are specific to Babesia and Bartonella. Most protocols dont attempt to treat babesia and bartonella at the same time. Most protocols will treat lyme and babesia at the same time or lyme and bartonella at the same time but Babesia and bartonella are usually addressed seperately.

Since you are only up to 10 drops per day on all those, I would start over with 1 or 2 herbs, get to 30 drops 2x a day then add another and another.

But to answer your question, yes, all herbs can be taken at the same time. Buhner is very clear about this point.

I would simplify, start over and go back to the drawing board.

I wouldnt worry about binders or other 'side issues' Do everything you can to address the diseases directly, and if you have no success then look into other complimentary treatments. Food is important. Bone broth and collagen supplementation are very important.

Your objective is to stop the inflammatory processes going haywire in your body, so you need to get on as many natural anti inflammatories as possible. Tumeric, ginger, CBD, Raw honey and even claritin can reduce inflammatory response. I would avoid aspirin, tylenol or advil. And most importantly add Japanese Knotweed.

Japanese knotweed is the most specific herb for lyme. It directly halts many of the inflammation pathways that are directly associated with the disease. Many people have breakthroughs just from his one herb alone.

You are peeling layers of an onion. Dont bite of more than you can chew, and dont try to address all 3 diseases at once. Oftentimes if you can get lyme under control, your immune system can respond better and tackle the other infections on its own.

So if I were you I would start by addressing Lyme, then possibly Lyme and Bart together, then Babesia if you still arent better. Artemesian is tough and the proper dosage interval are unknown. I would avoid it personally. Crypto is excellent for babesia. Use that.

But again I think you should start with Japanese knotweed first and foremost. Get to 30 drops 2x a day and then add other herbs. Sida is a good one. Dont forget andrographis and cats claw. Otaba bark and cats claw is an extrememly effective combo for many.

If you do those consistently I am confident you will have a lot of symptom improvement. If not, then you can go back and try to address bartonella or babesia.

Also dont rule out antibiotics. Doxycycline has strong anti-inflammatory effects. Even if doesnt kill your Lyme it will help your inflamation. Buhner designed this protocol to be used in conjunction with antibiotics. I personally found that Ceftin and doxy were key to my recovery and cure along with Buhner herbs and natural anti inflammatories.
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WalkingbyFaith
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Posted 12/4/2019 1:12 PM (GMT -8)
Yes - add Japanese knotweed

I would add Chinese skullcap, as well. Very good for neuro and cytokines.
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Szabo246
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Posted 12/7/2019 1:19 PM (GMT -8)
Thank you all and sorry for the delay in replying. Honestly your comments help me so much, so I’ve added in JK and I’m going to start a daily binder, away from herbs.

It’s bart and babs I’m going after bit would like some lyme cover too, I’m hoping the JK will off that although not sure if that’s enough.

I’m also trying to address EBV, I’ve not tested for that but I’m getting reoccurring sore throats and cold sores so assumed it’s another one to add to the mix. I’m hoping the monolaurin will address that.
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Biofilm
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Posted 12/10/2019 12:44 PM (GMT -8)
I feel like you could do CSA tincture, japanese knotweed, artmesia annua, houttunyia, isatis, bidens pilosa, coptis and neem for a good effect. Start slow with the csa first. I agree with buhner when he feels that artmesia annua is better than artimenisin and then you don't have to deal with the pulse routine. He also feels that bidens pilosa is superior to any of the babesia herbs. I had my biggest night sweats herx to bidens pilosa. It was much more powerful than mepron, cryptolepis or artemisinin.

When you are ready to really hit lyme then do the protocol that logmoss82 did.
Japanese knotweed, otoba bark extract, andographis, cats claw, oregano oil, stevia extract. Add gou teng, garlic(garlite nature's plus) and possibly doxycycline etc.
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Girlie
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Posted 12/10/2019 2:19 PM (GMT -8)

Biofilm said...
I agree with buhner when he feels that artmesia annua is better than artimenisin and then you don't have to deal with the pulse routine. He also feels that bidens pilosa is superior to any of the babesia herbs. I had my biggest night sweats herx to bidens pilosa. It was much more powerful than mepron, cryptolepis or artemisinin.
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The last I heard is Buhner recommends Artemisinin over the whole herb Artemisia.

Have you read recently that Buhner has switched to Artemisia?
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Biofilm
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Posted 12/10/2019 3:44 PM (GMT -8)

Girlie said...

Biofilm said...
I agree with buhner when he feels that artmesia annua is better than artimenisin and then you don't have to deal with the pulse routine. He also feels that bidens pilosa is superior to any of the babesia herbs. I had my biggest night sweats herx to bidens pilosa. It was much more powerful than mepron, cryptolepis or artemisinin.
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The last I heard is Buhner recommends Artemisinin over the whole herb Artemisia.

Have you read recently that Buhner has switched to Artemisia?

He was never a big fan of Artemisinin because it is just one chemical compound and artemisia annua has a complex mix of compounds. His main point was that the germs could develop resistance to one compound vs multiple. I don't see him recommending artemisinin much, he always recommends cryptolepis over it and then later he added bidens pilosa to the protocol.
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Girlie
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Posted 12/10/2019 6:23 PM (GMT -8)
He did recommend artemisinin

http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/herbs/zhang-clinic-artemisia/
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Biofilm
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Posted 12/10/2019 6:50 PM (GMT -8)

Girlie said...
He did recommend artemisinin

http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/herbs/zhang-clinic-artemisia/

http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/basics/artemesinin-with-iv-cefotaxime/

He seemed to change his mind after that 2011 post.
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Girlie
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Posted 12/10/2019 7:06 PM (GMT -8)
But he doesn’t mention he prefers artemisia (whole herb)
- he mentions Sida Acuta
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Biofilm
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Posted 12/10/2019 8:05 PM (GMT -8)

Girlie said...
But he doesn’t mention he prefers artemisia (whole herb)
- he mentions Sida Acuta

http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/herbs/developing-resistance-to-herbs/

I don't think it's a bad idea to add artmesia to the babesia herbs because I've seen so many stories of relapsing babesia here for the past 13 years. I say we throw everything at it.
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Girlie
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Posted 12/10/2019 8:52 PM (GMT -8)
"I don't think it's a bad idea to add artmesia to the babesia herbs because I've seen so many stories of relapsing babesia here for the past 13 years. I say we throw everything at it."

I agree - Artemisia or Artemisinin - not gonna hurt!
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