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NUCCA upper cervical / Atlas bone adjustment/ any experiences? (edit: I did it)

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astroman
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Posted 2/1/2021 2:20 PM (GMT -7)
This question if for any that have had this SPECIFIC type chiropractic work. This is not regular chiropractic, which Ive had plenty of in the past.

Any experiences?

Im not sure if Upper Cervical is the same as the Atlas, but I dont think it is. One of our mods had the Atlas adjustment (you just mentioned that recently). Sometimes treatments are the same but some specific names are trademarked and can help with advertising, so they go that route with its fees.

The initial cost (forst couple of visits) is a little spendy, $200 - $500 around here, and of course it pays to shop around.

Us Americans have "covid stimulus $", so I might distribute some of mine (no you cant have it lol).

My neck it 90% better from other trials/methods, but that last 10% of everything is hard to fix.

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NUCCA Stands for : National Upper Cervical Chiropractic Association Chiropractic Association

What it is: a non-cracking Upper Cervical adjustment. Its really adjusting the "master" upper joint, which in many people is off. Your body can adapt to it being off (which makes sense) but adapting and aligned are not the same.
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Posted 2/1/2021 2:53 PM (GMT -7)

astroman said...
This question if for any that have had this SPECIFIC type chiropractic work. This is not regular chiropractic, which Ive had plenty of in the past.

Any experiences?

Im not sure if Upper Cervical is the same as the Atlas, but I dont think it is. One of our mods had the Atlas adjustment (you just mentioned that recently). Sometimes treatments are the same but some specific names are trademarked and can help with advertising, so they go that route with its fees.

The initial cost (forst couple of visits) is a little spendy, $200 - $500 around here, and of course it pays to shop around.

Us Americans have "covid stimulus $", so I might distribute some of mine (no you cant have it lol).

My neck it 90% better from other trials/methods, but that last 10% of everything is hard to fix.

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NUCCA Stands for : National Upper Cervical Chiropractic Association Chiropractic Association

What it is: a non-cracking Upper Cervical adjustment. Its really adjusting the "master" upper joint, which in many people is off. Your body can adapt to it being off (which makes sense) but adapting and aligned are not the same.

NUCCA is the chiro who works on the atlas - which is C1 vertebrae. (Top of the C spine)

That’s the chiro I see.

I’m on a two month schedule now.
It’s $55 per appt (just raised it from $50)
I believe the Initial appt is $200 (used to be $100) which includes an X-ray plus first adjustment.

Dr Cockwill is my chiro.

http://www.straightspine.ca/team/
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Posted 2/1/2021 3:37 PM (GMT -7)
Girlie- did you feel improvement after the first adjustment?

How long since the first visit since you go every two months now?

thanks
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Posted 2/1/2021 3:42 PM (GMT -7)
I know what you're talking about. I just started seeing a chiropractor a holistic one at that. My spine xray came back the norm even tho I have cervicogenic headaches and loud neck snapping sounds. The said it's actually like a c1/c2 issue it can be misaligned or out of place or damaged etc. This holistic chiropractor explained if the c1/c2 was damaged by punch in the head face or whiplash car accident etc. That this actually causes MS like symptom and lyme including autonomic dysfunction, POTS, weight loss, vagus nerve dysfunction, digestion and stomach issues, anxiety, depression, ocd, bipolar like or personality changes which feel like PTSD, also tinnitus which I have and is near deafening now. I recently wrote a post on all this.once the c1/c2 area is realigned or "fixed" most of these symptoms supposedly go away. It also causes insomnia and sleep issues and seizures and muscle and nerve twitches
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Posted 2/1/2021 4:21 PM (GMT -7)

astroman said...
Girlie- did you feel improvement after the first adjustment?

How long since the first visit since you go every two months now?

thanks

Well.... I initially went in the late 80’s and after a few years - I stopped - was feeling good - life got busy... got married, had a baby... etc.

Then the “incident” happened - (2013) - woke up after falling asleep on the couch following a very busy work week - with sharp pain shooting down my neck , across my left shoulder blade and down my left arm. My left arm was lifeless and numb. Turned out to be the start of my many many symptoms of Lyme.

I ended up at the chiro and started treatments again. Since it had been so long I had X-rays done again.
I’m on 2 month intervals (at first it was weekly for a few weeks, then monthly and now two months) and sometimes I can “feel” I’m “out” as I get close to appt time.

I don’t mind the appts -as they don’t hurt, it’s just pressure behind my right ear.

I will never go to the ones that crank on the neck again...
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Posted 2/2/2021 7:45 AM (GMT -7)
Girlie,

Why will you never go to the ones that crack the neck again?

The neck cracking is my favorite part, LOL!!!
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Posted 2/2/2021 10:17 AM (GMT -7)
The Cracking ha ha!!!

Sounds like a horror movie.

Ive had that many times in the past, and yes it certainly helped. Sometimes were better than others though, it can be a little freaky if they need to try more than once per side. That doesn't specifically adjust the Atlas which is the "king" of all your joints and the nerves exiting your skull.
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Posted 2/2/2021 10:25 AM (GMT -7)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Girlie,

Why will you never go to the ones that crack the neck again?

The neck cracking is my favorite part, LOL!!!

I used to go when I was young after a fall in gymnastics. A few of the adjustments felt too violent - and I eventually stopped going.

Many years later I read that that it can cause a tear in the artery - resulting in death.
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Posted 2/6/2021 12:36 PM (GMT -7)
Had a Nucca consultation with 3D x-rays.

They also weigh you on a double scale for each foot, standing In a position that is the most comfortable one for you automatically , not when you’re thinking about it and try to self correct. I certainly have more weight on my left foot which is my longer leg and that’s the foot that bothers me. I knew this since I can feel it but it’s interesting to see the numbers.

Nucca atlas/C 1 adjustment is my last attempt to see how much of my shorter right leg is anatomically vs how much is functional . It’s certain little a little of both but I’ll see if this helps the functionality part of it.

Since I’m mostly pain-free and only have tension aches this is the perfect time for me to try this, as it should now be easier to sense any changes this type of adjustment might do. I don’t get my first adjustment till the next appointment which is a couple weeks.
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Posted 2/6/2021 3:41 PM (GMT -7)
Keep us updated, Astro!

Mine doesn’t do the weighing on the scale.

Did your Dr measure leg length?
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Posted 2/6/2021 5:25 PM (GMT -7)
All chiros seem to make their best guess at leg length with patient laying down, like this one did, but the only accurate way is comparing with two leg x-rays and measuring the image - which Ive never had done.

Its obvious my right tibia (calf bone) and foot combined are sorter than the left though- born that way. Upper body twist can add to the grand total length in the hip area- which is what I want to find out.

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1) My anatomical leg shortness: My test lower leg length test including foot height and ankle: If im seated at a height where my thighs are horizontal (90 deg), my right knee is lower vs left when I put a level rule across both knees about 10mm.

Nothing can change that ever.

2) My additional functional leg shortness: When laying flat and chiros compare both legs, the right total at my foot is roughly 15-20mm shorter than left.

The total difference of functional minus anatomic is 5-10mm which can possibly be corrected with NUCCA. Over a life span of walking that is a big deal.

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So if NUCCA does not hold for me, its because of my anatomical leg length difference that my body is constantly trying to accommodate for. Never know till I try.

If I walk on the edge of a typical slanted road, its more comfortable leg-wise to walk opposite direction of traffic (right side US roads). My short right leg is on the uphill side then, thus im straighter. Visually more safer too so win-win. Sidewalks are usually flat though.

And walking with one shoe wedge / heal lift insert in right shoe feels kind of weird. If pedaling a bike - my brain just bends the right ankle more than the left.
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For others reading who are not familiar with my story and don’t understand why this is on a lyme forum- Well all my years with lyme, decades worth - made sports injuries linger on forever as they would not heal correctly. this just added to my screwed up twisted body.

Post Edited (astroman) : 2/7/2021 1:53:32 PM (GMT-7)

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Posted 2/23/2021 10:20 AM (GMT -7)
Started this NUCCA this week.

History:Ive had plenty of past x-rays and know my spine /hip twists/ short leg images by heart after seeing so many x-rays in 20 years. Been thru all the standard cracking chiros over the years- nothing more to say there.

I know my body structure very well and have been pushing on what I found out is the Atlas for years, as I felt uneven tension there. After "peeling the onion" pain layers away for years, the points of interest become way more easy to identify.

How it went:

1)First appt was evaluation: x-rays, measured alignment and a double scale weight for side to side wight distributions measurement.

My initial NUCCA provider x-rays showed the usual for my body, no surprises. Hip twist, neck tilt to the right and one high hip. Weight was about 10-15% more on my long leg per the dual scale. That why my left foot always has something not right and why I had a heel lift in my shorter right leg shoe. Not surprised on the weight, I knew this already. (did it myself with two accurate scales in the past).

2)Second appt: Had my first NUCCA atlas bone adjustment. Alignment measurement "post adjust" showed improvement, standing weight was even between each foot.

3)Walked out with my heel lift removed from shoe. Hardly felt the adjustment during process at all. My neck/upper-body feels a little different.

This is not like regular chiro or PT. One of those things where you cant really form a worth while opinion unless you've tried it. So.... I tried it.
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Posted 2/23/2021 10:28 AM (GMT -7)
“ So if NUCCA does not hold for me, its because of my anatomical leg length difference that my body is constantly trying to accommodate for. Never know till I try.“

I have to keep going in for “tuneups”
The adjustment only lasts for so long.
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Posted 2/23/2021 10:34 AM (GMT -7)
Will you be going back for another appt?- or wait until you feel it’s “out”again?
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Posted 2/23/2021 10:47 AM (GMT -7)
Yes, second appt is in a few days to check if still in alignment. If its out, then they do it again.

The usual plan is still shorter than regular chiros but costs 1/3 more.

If it never holds, that is because of my anatomical leg or :strength differentials. And ARPWave device can usually correct muscle imbalance (I will do this thing regardless though, did it once so far as well. .

Problem with all these specialty body clinics is no place has it all- if there were a place, they could "fix" a lot more people.

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Not much different than taking a car to a different specialty shop for every little problem. Example- a tire shop with no alignment racks and an alignment place that doesn't sell tires- both create problems for the other unless both fixed at the same time. Both cars and people have overlapping areas. One place that can do it all solves the problems under one roof.

Post Edited (astroman) : 2/23/2021 10:54:46 AM (GMT-7)

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Posted 2/23/2021 10:52 AM (GMT -7)
Its been thought that my short leg is both function;y short (from twist) and anatomical (short bone).

This anatomical possibility is hard to measure with out a full leg x-ray, which Ive never had done. Another thing to throw money at. Extreme uneven body tension over the years can do weird things to limbs.
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Posted 2/23/2021 11:20 AM (GMT -7)
“ The usual plan is still shorter than regular chiros but costs 1/3 more.“

Mine are $50 per adjustment.
I submit to blue cross and get 80% back.

I don’t know how much reg chiros cost here to compare.
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